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P3D and frame generation

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Curiously enough I have now RTX 4090 and a lot powerful pc. 

Those of you that say that 4K displays won't give you good enough frames are wrong. 

Let me explain now. 

1. I have very powerful computer now. This are it's specs:
Intel Core i9-13900KF processor
Arctic Freezer II A-RGB (360MM) Water cooling.
Asrock Z790 STEEL LEGEND WI-FI Motherboard.
Kingston Fury Beast Black 64GB(2X32GB) DDR5 5600MHZ CL36 RAM Memory
MSI NVIDIA Geforce RTX 4090 Ventus 24 GB's of VRAM.
Seasonic Prime TX-1300 [1300W] 80+Titanium PSU
Samsung SSD 870 QVO 8TB.
Gigabyte AORUS 5000E 500GB, NVME SSD

With those parts, on my P3D config file, you can check in the spoiler:
 

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EnableGestures=True
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EnableFacilityVisuals=False
ShowAirportVisuals=False
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with PMDG 747-8 at KLAX from FSDT and with True Earth California South I get usually get between 30 - 60 fps. 

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So, to me Frame Generation is not something essential. My sim works well on the highest level of detail possible. 

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Only a flight simmer buys thousands dollars worth of hardware, a freakin' 4090 to boot and then argues 30 - 60 FPS is fine, absolute bottom scraper tier framerate for such a system in 2023.

[MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]

 

7 hours ago, Nuno Pinto said:

Want to go out and buy a 13900 plus 4090 and a 1500w PSU? By all means go ahead. Do you need it? Hell no, 

You must be assuming that everyone sits in front of a single 32". Flying a triple 4k viewgroup setup into dense airports needs a 4 series card period. Even with the specs you outlined above the framerates are borderline with sliders at medium settings. With a 3090 it's a stutter fest. So do you need it?  Yep, sure do and frame generation would make it even better

47 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Only a flight simmer buys thousands dollars worth of hardware, a freakin' 4090 to boot and then argues 30 - 60 FPS is fine, absolute bottom scraper tier framerate for such a system in 2023.

Quite snarky comment of yours. Then it is time for you to see this:


 

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As you can see I am quite a large fan of ORBX and their P3D products. Also if you  did not noticed there is no True Earth package I do not own. So, high level of detail requires high level machine like this. I put the sliders all the way right, because, unlike you, I have YT channel and I produce content there. Also FYI I play more than one simulation game. Mhm. 

And please, stop being so mean.

 

Also FYI I know CGI effects. Can you brag about that?

 

Edited by PavlinS

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49 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Only a flight simmer buys thousands dollars worth of hardware, a freakin' 4090 to boot and then argues 30 - 60 FPS is fine, absolute bottom scraper tier framerate for such a system in 2023.

It’s his money and he’s entitled to spend it as he sees fit. Many of us are perfectly happy with 30fps. Don’t judge others by what is or isn’t acceptable to you.

This is a forum for flight simmers. 🤔

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

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1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It’s his money and he’s entitled to spend it as he sees fit. Many of us are perfectly happy with 30fps. Don’t judge others by what is or isn’t acceptable to you.

This is a forum for flight simmers. 🤔

And he claims everybody else is wrong based on his own opinion, thus I counter that, because I think his opinion is flat out wrong as well.

[MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]

 

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4 minutes ago, Sethos said:

And he claims everybody else is wrong based on his own opinion, thus I counter that, because I think his opinion is flat out wrong as well.

I’ve read his comments twice and he says nothing of the sort. No such thing as a wrong opinion. Or a right one come to that. They’re opinions, not facts.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

chlive.php

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’ve read his comments twice and he says nothing of the sort. No such thing as a wrong opinion. Or a right one come to that. They’re opinions, not facts.

"Those of you that say that 4K displays won't give you good enough frames are wrong."

He did. And yes, opinions are subjective but he did say exactly that. Let's not cover for the guy here.

[MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]

 

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3 minutes ago, Sethos said:

"Those of you that say that 4K displays won't give you good enough frames are wrong."

He did. And yes, opinions are subjective but he did say exactly that. Let's not cover for the guy here.

I get good enough fps at all except the largest airports with my 1080Ti. It’s all down to settings. I’m not covering for him. 
 

Interesting that in all your detailed spec you don’t list resolution.

Ray (Cheshire, England).

System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant.

Cheadle Hulme Weather website.

chlive.php

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I get good enough fps at all except the largest airports with my 1080Ti. It’s all down to settings. I’m not covering for him. 

And good FPS is also subjective, everything is subjective, my reply was subjective as well - He used a flat out 'wrong' to describe something subjective, that's why I replied like I did 🙂

[MSI MPG X870E Carbon | 9800X3D (PBO +200Mhz / -20 Offset) | Corsair 64GB DDR5 (Custom Timings) | RTX 4090 Founders Edition (Undervolted) | WD SNX 850X 4TB + 4TB | Antec Flux Pro]

 

On 9/24/2023 at 9:33 AM, Nuno Pinto said:

Frame generation... Hope it dies a quick death like 3D TV. Rather have 60 real frames than 60 real and 60 fake for "120".

Lampooning "fake" interpolated frames kinda misses the point.

P3D's internal flight dynamics engine runs at a 55ms (~18 Hz) refresh rate, which means parameters like attitude, airspeed, and position are updated 18 times per second.  Some parameters, like OAT (which affects indicated altitude and mach number) only update once per second.  So when you run an advanced panel...a PMDG or FSL bird, for example, that 30Hz or higher smooth panel display you're seeing is done by interpolating between the FDE updates to produce the data used to display the intervening frames between FDE updates.  If it weren't, the needles and tapes would be stepwise and jerky...and once upon a time it used to be that way.  So whether the interpolation is being done in the panel software to produce so-called "real" (yet still interpolated from sim data) frames, or done in the GPU to produce an interpolated needle or tape position in a so-called "fake" frame, it's really just a matter of semantics--a nothingburger if you understand the underlying processes.

FG goes further by being able to interpolate the predictable changes between frames of smooth motion across the entire frame, e.g. things like terrain and object movement.  Unless you're flying insanely abrupt maneuvers like snap rolls and Lomcevoks, the interpolation and/or small-perturbation extrapolation is really quite good. 

Interpolated data is interpolated data, regardless of what process produces it.  And truth be told, in the end, every frame is a "fake" frame--the entire simulation is, at its foundations, a computer-generated approximation, after all.

Personally, I wish we had the option of using FG in every sim I fly.  I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it a "gamechanger", but I do find it a welcome enhancement to the experience.

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
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Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

5 hours ago, Sethos said:

And good FPS is also subjective

If it's Subjective then why you wrote 

6 hours ago, Sethos said:

argues 30 - 60 FPS is fine, absolute bottom scraper tier framerate for such a system in 2023.

Someone is hypocritical I see. 

I can make any video you throw at me 60 FPS. I have Smooth Video Project Pro, I have Adobe After Effects and Twixtor in it. I have Frame Replacer in Optical Flow at DaVinci Resolve. As you can see I am not only a flight simmer, but also professional video editor. I can manipulate keyframe, I know how. So, no matter you judge me as you judge, fact is, I can make the worse video ever, to have only 25 fps or less looking ravishing. If you do not believe me, here, check my YT channel in description. It contains bunch of videos [31] that can show you what I can do. 

You might say I am not aware of what I am doing, but fact is, those 222 people in my channel say otherwise. They'll protect me from haters like you. 

Also, specially for you - a video of my flight sim, without any editing:
 

Spoiler

 

See? My sim is smooth. This is KLAX area with True Earth. And PMDG 748. So it is quite heavy as you can see. 

Edited by PavlinS

8 hours ago, PavlinS said:

If it's Subjective then why you wrote 

Someone is hypocritical I see.

Yes, literally my opinion to counter yours, i.e subjective. I know, English is hard.

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I don't really know because I never used frame generation, and I believe Nvidia and AMD will do their best to implement it and it's probably going to be arather clever implementation, but my experience with external smoothing algorithms, in various flight simulation applications, has never been satisfactory, a good example being the external visuals solutions for Aerowinx PSX, used to give PSX users the World as seen through P3D, XP or now even MFS, while at the control of their PSX 744... It never blends correctly with the underlaying flight dynamics... specially on those tricky approaches under bad weather / turbulence / shear...

This all reminds me of the discussions on interlaced displays in some home computers / game consoles of the early 80s 🙂

Interesting comparison here: Why Do People Hate DLSS 3 Frame Generation? - YouTube

particularly at this point where he refers to MFS: 

 

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In my case frame generation was/is indeed a game changer for a rather simple reason: Cities and large airports plus ai traffic.

The combination of those three things, especially together, all too often succeeded in lowering my FPS to the point that I was then forced to lower my settings in a way I didn't enjoy (as much) in order to have a smooth experience while landing.

A case in point was visible stuttering/hitching when on low approach to London especially in any "heavy" aircraft.

Was it doable if you had no choice?

Yes.

Was it satisfactory?

Well no, not really, but again what choice did we have?

Like many, I was left fiddling with levels of ai, lod levels etc to try and keep things smooth as situations and the load changed in various areas.

Honestly, how often have we heard people throughout the various sub-fora complaining over the years about "bad optimization" of various airports/aircraft because of FPS? Especially with ai aircraft also active. Care to try that in New York?

How often do a lot of us upgrade repeatedly over the years chasing the dream of realism in the form of smoothness? How many zillion "guides" and eureka posts have we read?

Frame generation suddenly, a least for me, made low fps scenarios pretty much of a nothing-burger.

Abruptly the 60 fps while free-and-clear in the air, which so often dropped into an unsatisfying 20-something in a big airports, went to 100-something in the air and 60-something at even busy airports notwithstanding ai planes swarming the area.

Making a nice , sweeping curve to smoothly line up for touchdown actually became "smooth as butter" and quite smile inducing relative to years of ingrained expectation of microstutters in various sims.

Honestly? I don't use P3D and can't imagine anything that would rekindle my interest in that sim. But I also can't imagine why any fan of that sim would pushback (pun intended) against such an advance.

At worse, if the tech comes to the sim and somebody is that hidebound, well.... simply don't use it!

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