I own the Fenix and the PMDG 737-600-800. I only fly the PMDG now, much more like piloting something than I find with the Fenix, which sort of flies by itself. I had GSX in P3D, and this time I skipped it, not into sitting on the ramp watching the aircraft being loaded up. I like to flight plan, preflight, and fly. 

8 hours ago, Orlaam said:

Personally, if I were you, I would wait to see if PMDG can rectify some of their issues with LNAV and other miscellaneous problems.  I never fly the PMDG anymore because the LNAV is so ridiculous.  In 20 years of simming, I've never see an add-on have so much trouble tracking between waypoints.  It will roll into a bank, then start to level out, then roll again because it's visually recalculating the necessary heading.  It ruins the plane IMO.  You will have a lot of people tell you it's fine, but once you watch it struggle, it's awful.  It's a beautiful plane with amazing sounds, but it needs work. 

I have no problems with PMDG‘s 737 at all. It works well and everything is so smooth (I fly in VR only). Brilliant from my point-of-view.

I also use GSX, which is not perfect in this sim (it was never perfect in the previous sims) but still adds to a great flight experience.

8 hours ago, Orlaam said:

 

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11 hours ago, red259 said:

Yes I agree with you. I'm going to ramp up somewhat slowly. Pick up one plane and fs2crew (maybe gsx). Not going to jump on scenery right away until I see how the sim is running. Everything else will basically be for flight planning. 

Given your history of sim & add-ons use, my advice for ramping up in terms of aircraft:

1) Start with the base deluxe/premium edition of the sim (the default 787 in that edition alone is worth the extra cost since it's high fidelity in terms of avionics/FM and medium-fidelity in terms of systems, but you get even more like the Citation Longitude that also got the high fidelity treatment by Asobo/WT, and the Cirrus SR22 that's about to get similar enhancements in SU14, etc). The default CJ4, 747, C172, Cabri G2 heli, etc in the base edition are also quite good.

2) If wanting a payware high fidelity airliner, then either the Fenix A320 or PMDG 737 depending on your tastes for Airbus vs Boeing (you mentioned FSL, they're working on an airbus and the Concorde but given their snail's pace likely won't see those until later in '24 or '25 🙂)

3) If wanting a payware high fidelity GA, then one or more of these per your preferences: A2A Comanche, FSR 500, Milviz C310, FSW C414, JustFlight/BlackSqure TBM 850
 

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11 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

I'd recommend not to pile up dozens of addons and tweaks as in the end they just pollute your install and if you start having troubles you'll have to search for the one causing it.

Personally i only use  the map enhancement tool, the runway lights mentioned above in the sim. And the PMDG 737 ofc.

Everything else is related to flight planning. Simbrief, Navigraph and PFPX for more advanced routefinding. Thats pretty much it. I think my community folders has only around five folders in it.

Ah forgot to mention FS2Crew of course.

 

Maybe just start with the vanilla sim (it has pretty good stock planes by now) and you'll quickly see what you might need and what you don't.

Less is sometimes more.

 

Happy flying

Just to clarify -- if you use Addon Linker, you will not "pollute" anything. With AL, only links to desired addons are placed in Community; the addons themselves are stored separately, even on a different drive from MSFS. To me this is the single most valuable tool for use with MSFS, and is free to boot.

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I haven't had the heading-seeking problems with the PMDG. Occasionally it will do strange things with Lnav on takeoff (turning it off without input from me) but it's possible that's just some mouse-click artifact because Windows' handling of VR and mouse together is less than awesome.

 

 

8 minutes ago, eslader said:

I haven't had the heading-seeking problems with the PMDG. Occasionally it will do strange things with Lnav on takeoff (turning it off without input from me) but it's possible that's just some mouse-click artifact because Windows' handling of VR and mouse together is less than awesome.

 

 

I have hundreds of flights with PMDG 737, and have never had a problem in Lnav. I wonder what these people that are having problems are doing?

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have hundreds of flights with PMDG 737, and have never had a problem in Lnav. I wonder what these people that are having problems are doing?

Only thing I can think of is accelerating the sim rate beyond 4x, which if you do it through the sim and not PMDG's accel function tends to cause heading issues when turning at waypoints.

Just now, eslader said:

Only thing I can think of is accelerating the sim rate beyond 4x, which if you do it through the sim and not PMDG's accel function tends to cause heading issues when turning at waypoints.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, they are trying to fly the aircraft much too faster than it should be. 

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have hundreds of flights with PMDG 737, and have never had a problem in Lnav. I wonder what these people that are having problems are doing?

I think its the somewhat whacky LNAV behavior. I am seeing that too. The plane is (sometimes) banking very aggressively just to smooth out and to bank again. Its basically the way it controls its rollspeed what the issue for me.

8 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

I think its the somewhat whacky LNAV behavior. I am seeing that too. The plane is (sometimes) banking very aggressively just to smooth out and to bank again. Its basically the way it controls its rollspeed what the issue for me.

I never see that, so it sounds like you have something strange going on with your setup. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

I never see that, so it sounds like you have something strange going on with your setup. 

There is nothing strange going on with my setup. And reading across the PMDG Forum there a plenty of peole observing the same issue.

17 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

There is nothing strange going on with my setup. And reading across the PMDG Forum there a plenty of peole observing the same issue.

I just made an RNAV into KMSY heading change from around 210 to 20 degrees. No problem at all. But my airspeed was a reasonable 145 knots. It rolled out right on the localizer.Doesn't get any  smoother than that. 

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13 hours ago, Orlaam said:

For weather, yes, we only have the default. 

XEnviro is very good and displays more cloud types than default.

3 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

There is nothing strange going on with my setup. And reading across the PMDG Forum there a plenty of peole observing the same issue.

Exactly.  I have even reinstalled the PMDG and it's still there.  I don't use external controller apps, FSUIPC, or anything that could affect the autopilot.  I've had everything from the Dreamfleet 737, Level-D 767, PMDG 737NG (FS9/FSX), PMDG 747, PMDG MD-11, and way more.  This is the only add-on after all those years that does this weird banking thing.  If someone really knows a way to alleviate this, I'm all ears.  You can see it here a little bit at 4:41:50.  It looks like it's being hand-flown.  As I said, it's a pretty plane with great sounds, but the LNAV issue is a show-stopper for me.  When a plane can't even roll properly, it's hard to ignore.

https://www.youtube.com/live/LLWtCDHhdwo?si=SI7w249nd7KL8AZl&t=16898