On 11/20/2023 at 2:17 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

AIG + Radar Contact v4 is a great combo. You would, of course, have to use another simulator. 😉 All down to what’s most important to you.

Why would you come to the MSFS 2020 forum to post that?

1 minute ago, somiller said:

Why would you come to the MSFS 2020 forum to post that?

Because many people run more than one sim.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Because many people run more than one sim.

So what, also many subforums in avsim deal with those sims. I guess not one single person ever will look into an msfs forum into an AI traffic thread to get ideas for his P3D/XP setup. So writing this into a AI traffic thread in the MSFS subforums is pointless, a moderator should know this and not potentially fuel sim A vs. sim B discussions out of nowhere...

@AnkH, my post has been visible for over 48 hours and only received ‘complaints’ this afternoon. Most chose to ignore it. That’s fine. In no way is it starting a sim war. I didn’t even mention either of the two sims. Chill out.

2 hours ago, somiller said:

Why would you come to the MSFS 2020 forum to post that?

Imagine someone did this and mentioned Xplane. There would be another my sim is better than you sim argument, and then it would get locked by a moderator, oh the irony. 

On 11/21/2023 at 5:39 PM, blueshark747 said:

What sim are you flying?

Where are ai planes crashing into mountains and dropping out of the sky?

sorry, I mean ai controlled piloting. I guess that's the term to use. It's confusing with these new terms so I hope I can explain. In P3D I used to use super traffic board. It was a program where you can see an arr/dep board and it you clicked on an airline you could follow it in outside view from gate to gate. I preformed pre flight, taxi, land, and taxi to gate. You could just watch planes all day without ever flying. It is what I like to enjoy and I thought MSFS would have something like this.

In a way MSFS sort of has this function but different. In MSFS I can click the map for departing airport and arriving airport. I don't fiddle with any other settings in the flightplan page which might be part of the problem. I click on fly now and watch to see what happens. The planes usually taxi out and take off "ok" but they almost always crash into a mountain or a tree or just drop to the ground. If it manages to not hit anything on the way then it usually misses the runway and does endless go arounds or just flies off to nowhere. That's the only thing the game needs for me to enjoy it like I want and I am shocked that that this hasn't been implemented or improved in over a year. I hope that explains my situation, thanks

On 11/22/2023 at 9:42 AM, somiller said:

Why would you come to the MSFS 2020 forum to post that?

The P3D Concorde release spotlight was an overhyped complete flop and now folks are bitter because their favorite sim is outdated and no longer relevant.

So it feels better to just come here and super regulate threads in the MSFS section with bias and silence anything one doesn't agree with, because one simply can.

The bias against the new shiny life of the party sim and double standards are atrocious at this point!

Folks are lonely over there and it shows....🤣

Edited November 24, 20232 yr by blueshark747

It’s confusing isn’t it? I have been doing some extensive testing with ai traffic programs and I have some observations. Hope this might help someone out.

1. AIG and Traffic Controller. For me this is best for what I want. The traffic is based on flight plans which is good if you want to fly somewhere else in the world and want to see traffic there. It takes a lot of time to install all the packages but really well worth it. They have special liveries and lots of variety. I have been with them from the beginning and I hope they don’t stop. It’s also all free which is unbelievable. The only drawback is that there are not that many movements or arriving and departing airplanes.

FSTL: This program is also free but uses real time flight plans. So you have you have to check the time you want to fly. The install is much easier and it loads up fast. It’s a little tricky to use the traffic settings because they are very detailed and almost confusing. There is not a lot of special liveries or models but there is more movements. I do use this when I want to see live traffic but I use AIG models.

FStraffic: I had such high hopes for this and was hoping I could have just one program that combined everything. I was also attracted to the fact that you could add airlines from other sources. Sadly this program still needs time. You can add airlines but one plane at a time which is tedious.  There are no cargo planes and not many special liveries or models. It also costs about $40 which is high for what you get. There are also not that many updates.

PSX/RT: I really like this combination because it places the airplanes at the right gates and there are lots of movements. It’s the most realistic and I can use the AIG planes but with real time traffic. I would use this but there is a monthly charge and that can add up especially if you don’t fly everyday. The strange thing is not all airports have good coverage so you have to check on their website to see how good the coverage is at the airport you want. 
 

MSFS: I don’t hate it and sometimes it’s fun to see if the labels match the corresponding airline. It’s a bit hit or miss with movements, My biggest problem is that the wrong airplanes are at the wrong gates and it puts in default airlines which look ugly and mess up the vibe at the airport. Even if you change the settings the default airlines will creep in. Lately I have been having a strange problem where over time one airline will start replacing the others and dominate the airport. It’s very strange and makes no sense.

Of course this is my own findings and everyone flies different. I apologize if there is any misinformation. Sometimes these programs can do much more and it takes the community to find out the tricks and tips to share with everyone. I did not try any other combos such as FSTL using FStraffic models or AIG models but using FSTL injector but there are many possibilities. For me, I just wanted to find one program where I could see correct airline parking, realistic movements, tons of models and repaints, the ability to add models and paints easily and not cost too much. I still have not found that. Each program was better for one thing and worse for another. Thank you for reading this way too long post, sorry

4 hours ago, bosflo said:

MSFS: I don’t hate it and sometimes it’s fun to see if the labels match the corresponding airline. It’s a bit hit or miss with movements, My biggest problem is that the wrong airplanes are at the wrong gates and it puts in default airlines which look ugly and mess up the vibe at the airport. Even if you change the settings the default airlines will creep in. Lately I have been having a strange problem where over time one airline will start replacing the others and dominate the airport. It’s very strange and makes no sense.

That's been an issue for a while now.

4 hours ago, bosflo said:

It’s confusing isn’t it? I have been doing some extensive testing with ai traffic programs and I have some observations. Hope this might help someone out.

Tremendously. I've been with AIG since the beginning as well. I tried FSTL when it first came out. I left it installed, but switched back to AIG Using the linker. I just recently uninstalled FSTL since I forgot to look at it again. I'm thankful that you took the time to list the pros and cons of each. I think you saved me a bunch of time.