I'm always looking to making flight simming as simple as possible. I like short videos as well.

I just found this YouTube video which improved stuff for me even though the video and settings suggested are over a year old and after lots of MSFS updates (as of April 2024) .

(28) Boost Your MSFS Quality and Performance in Two Minutes - Here's How! - YouTube

I'd like to know what Avsim users (which I generally find more experienced than most) think about the video. I don't know why the Frame Rate Limit in MSFS is greyed out. I have DLSS anti-aliasing in MSFS set to 'Balanced' and I have a 3060ti card. Thank you.

Anistropic Filtering to 16x in NCP but also in the sim to 16x. Don't turn it off in the sim. I do believe it helps to set it in both.

If you learn how to set FG on in a series 3000 card, it should double your frame rates. FG normally can only be used on 4000 series card, as you know. But there is hack to turn it on with a 3000 series card (although I have no experience doing that).

16 minutes ago, Fielder said:

Anistropic Filtering to 16x in NCP but also in the sim to 16x. Don't turn it off in the sim. I do believe it helps to set it in both.

If you learn how to set FG on in a series 3000 card, it should double your frame rates. FG normally can only be used on 4000 series card, as you know. But there is hack to turn it on with a 3000 series card (although I have no experience doing that).

Thank you for taking the time to reply. But wouldn't setting Anistropic Filtering to 16x in the sim result in redundancy, since MSFS has to go through an extra software layer which could also result in latency?

I tried the FG hack for the series 3000 card which I *personally* found convoluted, and *apparently* made no difference also in my setup. It motivated me to look for simpler solutions.

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by bofhlusr

If FG made no difference, something is wrong. It doubles framerate. If you have Steam version then turn on Steam FPS display in Settings, In Game menu (the Dev Mode fps display lies when FG is  on. It's only showing half the real frame rate). Or use RTSS Riva Tuner fps display.

I was watching a Youtube video day before yesterday which said to turn on 16X AF in both NCP and in game. I think it was Island Sim's video. He said some people say not to use both, but he says it does help the image to do both.

@Fielder For FG are you referring to this video: Frame generation for all RTX cards - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) - The AVSIM Community?

If you are, I'll be tempted to give it another try after SU15. For now, I'm getting 30-40 fps in KSFO (San Francisco) and that is enough for me now.  I'll happily trade FPS for anything quick and simple.

Plus, I'm one of those not gifted with the ability to appreciate FPS that is higher than 30-40 fps. The thing that bothers me now in MSFS graphically is the popups but I'm thinking it's because I don't have enough video memory? Actually, those pop-ups and also these annoying things in as far as it concerns me:

The 4 Things that will Disappoint in MSFS 2024 - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) - The AVSIM Community

2 hours ago, Fielder said:

If FG made no difference, something is wrong. It doubles framerate.

frame generation doesn't just literally double framerate. It's very circumstantial based on someone's setup. You have a 4070 and a 5800X3D an enthusiast GPU tied with the second best gaming CPU on the market. They have a 3060ti.

I've yet to see any reports of native FG not doubling framerates. Double for my 4070 is higher than the double for a 4060. I'm not sure about FG on cards where that ability isn't native. But I would guess that a 3060ti would see double framerates with FG. I see no reason why it  would not, but I'm not sure, just guessing.

=> The big advantage of double framerate FG is that it also reduces stutters. A whole lot  in my limited experience. As  I've said  before, assigning to 2 keyboard keys or 2 controller hat  positions the ability to look left and right in outside view (chase view) is the way to judge stutters. These assignments need only be temporary, i.e. assigned to a controller profile (such as the keyboard profile). And then use that profile only when testing. Push a key and the plane spins around. The main General MSFS screen can be set to exactly how fast or slow  you want the plane will spin. And then take 15 seconds to go back to the normal profile to regain the use of those 2 keys for something else.

11 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

@Fielder For FG are you referring to this video: Frame generation for all RTX cards - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) - The AVSIM Community?

If you are, I'll be tempted to give it another try after SU15. For now, I'm getting 30-40 fps in KSFO (San Francisco) and that is enough for me now.  I'll happily trade FPS for anything quick and simple.

Plus, I'm one of those not gifted with the ability to appreciate FPS that is higher than 30-40 fps. The thing that bothers me now in MSFS graphically is the popups but I'm thinking it's because I don't have enough video memory? Actually, those pop-ups and also these annoying things in as far as it concerns me:

The 4 Things that will Disappoint in MSFS 2024 - Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) - The AVSIM Community

I doubt that 2. ,  the suicidal ground personnel issue, will ever get fixed. I think the overhead would be too great if all these brave workers were given artificial intelligence. So this issue doesn't annoy me. Like I don't mind not being able to feel gravity. Because too much cost is involved to do these.

If you want to keep it simple, set up sensible settings in MSFS and just enjoy the sim. 😉

I've tried all these hacks and snake oils.  Some have a little basis in them but even those that come with whopping great FPS increases, do so by comprimise in my experience.  Eg.  I use TAA, even though DLSS gives me around 30% more frames.   It does so however, while causing awful, blurry displays on any glass instruments (still, with the latest DLSS!).  

The FG hack resulted in more artifacts than benefit - for me. (I appreciate others swear by it).  I'm not normally a conservative type person but I've watched people like Island Sim make a channel out of constant supposed snake oils (sometimes several per week) and I think that ultimately, "there's no such thing as a free lunch".  Perhaps I just prefer smooth, non-artifacted, non-blurry/ghosty visuals, with 40-60 FPS, which is what I get with TAA and no hacks.   The sim is so well optimized now anyway and with the latest SU15 beta release, I'm seeing even more performance.

"If it ain't broke, why fix it".

I'm saying all of this, just because the OP mentioned "simplicity" a couple of times.  That's my approach to mods and tweaks in MSFS too.   Those who love the tweaks and get great results from them - I am not threatening your choices or their validity 👍 So no-one need get defensive.  I'm talking only from my own experience.

1 hour ago, JYW said:

If you want to keep it simple, set up sensible settings in MSFS and just enjoy the sim. 😉

I've tried all these hacks and snake oils.  Some have a little basis in them but even those that come with whopping great FPS increases, do so by comprimise in my experience.  Eg.  I use TAA, even though DLSS gives me around 30% more frames.   It does so however, while causing awful, blurry displays on any glass instruments (still, with the latest DLSS!).  

The FG hack resulted in more artifacts than benefit - for me. (I appreciate others swear by it).  I'm not normally a conservative type person but I've watched people like Island Sim make a channel out of constant supposed snake oils (sometimes several per week) and I think that ultimately, "there's no such thing as a free lunch".  Perhaps I just prefer smooth, non-artifacted, non-blurry/ghosty visuals, with 40-60 FPS, which is what I get with TAA and no hacks.   The sim is so well optimized now anyway and with the latest SU15 beta release, I'm seeing even more performance.

"If it ain't broke, why fix it".

I'm saying all of this, just because the OP mentioned "simplicity" a couple of times.  That's my approach to mods and tweaks in MSFS too.   Those who love the tweaks and get great results from them - I am not threatening your choices or their validity 👍 So no-one need get defensive.  I'm talking only from my own experience.

Years in IT management made me a believer of Kelly Johnson's (of Skunk Works, U2, and SR-71 fame) KISS principle - Wikipedia.

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by bofhlusr

I won't turn off DLSS and use TAA. nor DLAA because  of frame rate drops. More importantly, it drops so much that stutters ruin the flight. The ghosting on the screens is a minor issue for me. I use an auxiliary touch panel to display the Garmins nice and big. Before I  bought this touch panel and Air Manager I seldom flew anything with glass panels.

If anyone remembers FS2000 and Panel altering software, that's exactly what Air Manager is.

You drag the gauges anywhere (or change the size and position numerical coordinates instead). And now you have a 2D flight panel over off to the side on the touch screen with exactly the round gauges or glass screens you want, where you want them. And big enough to see very clearly despite any ghosting. There is over 1000 gauges to choose from. Most of which work in any plane. But some gauges only work in particular planes.

Also a knobster controls the knobs on the glass screens in the sim, those on the touch panel, and the readout LED digits on my Saitek panels, simultaneously. You touch the knob on the touchscreen, it glows blue, and then you turn the knobster inner or outer knob and it changes on all 3 at the same time.

On 4/8/2024 at 9:38 PM, JYW said:

Those who love the tweaks and get great results from them - I am not threatening your choices or their validity 👍 So no-one need get defensive.

Haha, I get a sneaky suspicion that you read one of my recent rants 😅 I tend to get a bit carried away 😉

If a doctor gives you a placebo pill and your headache goes away, do you really care that it was a placebo? In FS, your brain is already in a mode of creating reality out of a computer screen, so it is more than ready to accept that any little tweak made things better (or worse). Just make sure you keep track of what changes you are making so you can go back to where you started if things go bad.

Yawn. Clickbait

On 4/8/2024 at 10:41 PM, Fielder said:

I won't turn off DLSS and use TAA. nor DLAA because  of frame rate drops. More importantly, it drops so much that stutters ruin the flight. The ghosting on the screens is a minor issue for me. I use an auxiliary touch panel to display the Garmins nice and big. Before I  bought this touch panel and Air Manager I seldom flew anything with glass panels.

If anyone remembers FS2000 and Panel altering software, that's exactly what Air Manager is.

You drag the gauges anywhere (or change the size and position numerical coordinates instead). And now you have a 2D flight panel over off to the side on the touch screen with exactly the round gauges or glass screens you want, where you want them. And big enough to see very clearly despite any ghosting. There is over 1000 gauges to choose from. Most of which work in any plane. But some gauges only work in particular planes.

Also a knobster controls the knobs on the glass screens in the sim, those on the touch panel, and the readout LED digits on my Saitek panels, simultaneously. You touch the knob on the touchscreen, it glows blue, and then you turn the knobster inner or outer knob and it changes on all 3 at the same time.

what does "stutters" mean ? 4090/7800x3D 😉

Edited April 10, 20242 yr by sonny147
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