I am sure this will start a fire storm but I am just curious why is that BS Duke ground behaves like a real aircraft and others do not? Yes I have time in a similar aircraft 421B and some of the others struggle to make it useable? I love the way the Duke taxi's down to the alt throttle characteristics. It tracks as expected and does not overcorrect if you look down at the peddles. 

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by cchiozza

21 minutes ago, cchiozza said:

I am sure this will start a fire storm but I am just curious why is that BS Duke ground behaves like a real aircraft and others do not? Yes I have time in a similar aircraft 421B and some of the others struggle to make it useable? I love the way the Duke taxi's down to the alt throttle characteristics. It tracks as expected and does not overcorrect if you look down at the peddles. 

Are you using it with the SU15 beta? If so then it takes advantage of the new ground handling physics in SU15: https://www.justflight.com/articles/black-square-msfs-dukes-important-notes-about-the-aircraft
There are only two features in the Dukes which benefit from Simulator Update 15 (SU15): the ground handling physics and the Working Title GNS 530/430 ... <snipped>

If you're not using SU15 then it could still have been modelled better than most to exhibit good ground handling despite the core sim limitations in this area pre SU15.
 

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by lwt1971

Yes I am using SU15. And yes I understand the GNS update as well. I was mainly just talking specifically about the ground functionality. Thanks for the comments...Makes sense.

13 hours ago, cchiozza said:

I was mainly just talking specifically about the ground functionality. Thanks for the comments...Makes sense.

Understood.. ya not too many examples yet of aircraft taking advantage of the new ground handling/physics in SU15, save for the iniBuilds A300 (https://youtu.be/N4cxNccH66U?t=1318), the default C172 (G1000 version), and the Duke that I know of (Edit: also SR22T). Fenix and PMDG have it in their plans to add support for this soon in their birds. Definitely looks to be a great improvement.
 

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by lwt1971

The Just Flight F28 is the best, most realistic taxiing airliner I’ve experienced in a sim.

Unrelated to this thread, but just thought I’d mention it, credit where credits due.

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

not too many examples yet of aircraft taking advantage of the new ground handling/physics in SU15, save for the iniBuilds A300 (https://youtu.be/N4cxNccH66U?t=1318), the default C172 (G1000 version), and the Duke that I know of.

The SR22T is also updated to the new ground handling in SU15.

5 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

The SR22T is also updated to the new ground handling in SU15.

Great to know. Thanks Matt! Will try it when SU15 drops.

2 hours ago, jon b said:

The Just Flight F28 is the best, most realistic taxiing airliner I’ve experienced in a sim.

Unrelated to this thread, but just thought I’d mention it, credit where credits due.

Agreed except for just one detail. I find that the moment I spool the engines up a tiny bit to start taxi the plane starts moving too easily without the feeling of inertia I get with the PMDG for example. Once rolling it trundles along very satisfactorily. Doesn't speed up too much and turns well.

The Duke ground handling is like a dream! Never before have I driven a more responsive yet smooth plane over the airport. The realism of breaking is also outstanding from the squeaking of the gear and brakes to the nose-wheel feathering.

Everything is absolute superior when buying the Duke series - even the ground handling.

I'm looking forward to the SU15 release because under SU14 the Duke has some issues on the takeoff roll. Tends to wander very easily and sometimes even gets itself into Fast & Furious-style drifts. But then, most planes handle fairly poorly on the ground under the current sim's ground physics.

 

I think you need to read it because it explains everything about ground handling and crosswind - from the creator himself...

https://community.justflight.com/topic/6532/crosswind-performance-is-way-way-off-guys/2

we have to wait till Thursday ....