Hi,

with progressive taxi, new cabin crews and all that now we get the copilot.

See it in action here:

AI Co-Pilot Demo - Available Soon - The Future of AI Air Traffic Control (youtube.com)

Is IFR  already working flawlessly?

For me more important then tourguides, taxi guidance, co pilots, free candy on board and all this stuff which I don’t need at all………

 

Edited August 30, 20241 yr by rob0203

24 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Is IFR  already working flawlessly?

You'll be waiting a very long time for an atc add-on to work flawlessly.

58 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Is IFR  already working flawlessly?

For me more important then tourguides, taxi guidance, co pilots, free candy on board and all this stuff which I don’t need at all………

 

Define "flawlessly". In my opinion its working flawlessly, since a couple of weeks already. That doesnt mean that we are not fine-tuning it, or being in talks with NG to get better data to make it even better than it is.

But when you mean something like "I file my simbrief-flightplan and go" - yes. You might even get a change to the Arrival due to weather/wind changes and it will work "flawlessly". You can also tell your cabin crew to announce a delay due to weather or whatever reason comes to your mind. 
 

So the answer is: In my opinion yes. But I am certainly not "neutral" here to be honest.

1 hour ago, rob0203 said:

Is IFR  already working flawlessly?

For me more important then tourguides, taxi guidance, co pilots, free candy on board and all this stuff which I don’t need at all………

 

I wouldn't expect IFR to ever work flawlessly. There's no "bug-free" with a LLM in regards to procedures, states etc. LLMs just cannot do them well, by nature.

That said, I see this feature here as a creative "auto-respond" to ATC, which was requested a long time ago by SI users, so I don't think it's eye/ear candy this time, but really a useful feature.
Now the next big thing SI would need to do is: Traffic. Otherwise it will stand no chance against BATC when they release their traffic soon.

22 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I wouldn't expect IFR to ever work flawlessly. There's no "bug-free" with a LLM in regards to procedures, states etc. LLMs just cannot do them well, by nature.

That said, I see this feature here as a creative "auto-respond" to ATC, which was requested a long time ago by SI users, so I don't think it's eye/ear candy this time, but really a useful feature.
Now the next big thing SI would need to do is: Traffic. Otherwise it will stand no chance against BATC when they release their traffic soon.

Well, it depends on how you control the LLM. This is obviously way beyond the "basics" you can get from youtube tutorials or other sources. I am glad to work with a team of passionate AI developers that are doing this since years (and on a professional level), so - without any offense - your first sentence does apply to standard-usage of AI, but certainly not for professional level AI. We are not talking ChatGPT for end users here.
 

And while the price for voice generation in the AI world has dropped for everyone, we have plans to do even more on that department.

I may be able to show you what AI really is able to do - it´s in german, but it does the trick. For the english users: I am sitting at a runway in EDDB and telling the crew to announce several delays due to several reasons. I made one up which is totally not Aviation related - and you may want to hear to what AI made out of it. And yes, this was live, everyone can just download the client for free and test that themself. Right now.
 

 

Edited August 30, 20241 yr by ifred
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I have been using SI more than Beyond ATC for IFR.  But SI is dropping support for Active Sky which sucks for me as I use historical weather.  These features may make me hang on a bit longer...

50 minutes ago, Joe L said:

But SI is dropping support for Active Sky which sucks for me as I use historical weather. 

Why is that? They integrated it already, why drop it?

This was the post on Discord:

Announcement:

As of today, we are moving ActiveSky weather into Maintenance-Only mode.  There are several reasons.

We've discovered critical flaws with the way AS reports / manages en-route weather, that are resulting in significant support and accuracy issues, and there are no options available to us to overcome the problem.

The move towards a "living world" scenario will require that we use common weather. In this case, "real world weather" will need to be the common denominator.

We believe the new weather system in MSFS 2024 will make ActiveSky unnecessary.

The amount of work required to make the ATC system support a completely independent weather system for each pilot has turned out to be significantly more than we anticipated. Given that less than 10% of our active customers use it, it creates a disproportionate support load and takes engineering resources away from more important tasks and projects.

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WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR YOU.....

(A) We will leave the existing code / tools / settings in place for the time being. Nothing will change from what you have now.

(B) No additional bug fixes or features for ActiveSky weather will be provided. (In other words, if it works for you right now. Great! Keep using it.. But support requests related to AS will no longer receive priority, and no additional bug fixes for AS will be deployed).

(C) This decision will be re-evaluated once MSFS 2024 is fully deployed. (edited)

August 28, 2024
 

I’ve been using SI for a few months, and while I wouldn’t say it works flawlessly, it’s pretty darn good.  The developers have made significant and rapid improvements over that time.  The two biggest features missing, for me, is traffic injection and terrain awareness.  You’ll still get vectored below MSA or into terrain if you’re not paying attention.  They haven’t said much yet in how they plan to implement traffic, but I’m somewhat concerned it’ll be “live traffic” based which would not be good if you tend to fly off hours in other parts of the world.  I could be wrong though on that.

Just an update on the AS part - on Discord the dev is now saying he is in contact with Damien (HiFI), so there might be some hope.  It appears they softened their stance a bit... though it may not amount to much

39 minutes ago, Joe L said:

Just an update on the AS part - on Discord the dev is now saying he is in contact with Damien (HiFI), so there might be some hope.  It appears they softened their stance a bit... though it may not amount to much

We will see. I would not be suprised if that topic is solved during the next week or two.

1 hour ago, Gilandred said:

I’ve been using SI for a few months, and while I wouldn’t say it works flawlessly, it’s pretty darn good.  The developers have made significant and rapid improvements over that time.  The two biggest features missing, for me, is traffic injection and terrain awareness.  You’ll still get vectored below MSA or into terrain if you’re not paying attention.  They haven’t said much yet in how they plan to implement traffic, but I’m somewhat concerned it’ll be “live traffic” based which would not be good if you tend to fly off hours in other parts of the world.  I could be wrong though on that.

You are wrong - and that´s all I am allowed to say 🙂

1 hour ago, Joe L said:

We believe the new weather system in MSFS 2024 will make ActiveSky unnecessary.

Where do they get that information from? All we've been told is there's a new cloud layer amongst other bits & pieces, nothing about a "new" weather system 🤔

Edited August 30, 20241 yr by MarcG

9 hours ago, rob0203 said:

Is IFR  already working flawlessly?

For me more important then tourguides, taxi guidance, co pilots, free candy on board and all this stuff which I don’t need at all………

 

no. not in europe at least.  dont get me wrong its impressive.  but some little twirks on it.  you need to be quite precise on what you ask it.  but its still quite good.

2 hours ago, Gilandred said:

I’ve been using SI for a few months, and while I wouldn’t say it works flawlessly, it’s pretty darn good.  The developers have made significant and rapid improvements over that time.  The two biggest features missing, for me, is traffic injection and terrain awareness.  You’ll still get vectored below MSA or into terrain if you’re not paying attention.  They haven’t said much yet in how they plan to implement traffic, but I’m somewhat concerned it’ll be “live traffic” based which would not be good if you tend to fly off hours in other parts of the world.  I could be wrong though on that.

agreed. and some of the more tricky approaches it gets confused with.