1 hour ago, Abriael said:

It's actually rather funny that you think "the community" is identified with "the forums" and even less so "the official forums." Most of "the community" fled that moderation hellhole ages ago.  

I'm ready to bet all my money that the majority of the actual community is a lot more interested in hearing about what they'll talk about and excited for it, than the niche topics that super niche areas of the community like this or that forum are interested in. 

I think you are 100% right. I don't think it is a good sign for a FLIGHT simulator though.

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

MSFS has been improving ....weather for 4 years

At least when it comes to weather, you are 100% not right.
For everyone who doesn't get that a whole dimension of flying is basically missing in MSFS, I recommend the YT channel of MissionaryBushPilot. Most simmers will be familiar with his channel, but I'm not sure that they are aware that despite him facing challenging approaches in his Kodiak on a daily basis, an emphasis in his videos is very often how he tackles the challenges the weather poses to his flying. Try to reproduce that in MSFS, and you will soon get an idea of what I'm talking.

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Tom_L

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

Like it's industry standard? It's funny to me that someone is actually surprised or pretends to be. It's already a luxury that for SOME Q&A they actually used an upvote system. They have answered *plenty* of hard questions over the years. Many more than  99% of other developers.

But some just have to be snarky for the sake of being snarky. 🥱

Is there ANY software product that has had anywhere near this much dialogue, this long, between devs and users?    

If your cup's 3/4 empty I'm afraid you won't notice that instead you will whine and whine about what isn't perfect enough yet, on and on in every thread possible.

This might be a new personal best, only 6 hours after the original post!  Good Job!  Now get back and summon the others!

12 minutes ago, Tom_L said:

I think you are 100% right. I don't think it is a good sign for a FLIGHT simulator though

It's good for any simulator. Flight simulators are not special. They have never been, and they will never be. The idea that they're somehow special is a delusion among flight simmers that has contributed massively to the insularity of this community.

And that is what is not a good sign for flight simulators. 

Thank goodness, MSFS has inverted that trend, because this community really needed fresh blood, badly. 

12 minutes ago, Tom_L said:

At least when it comes to weather, you are 100% not right.
For everyone who doesn't get that a whole dimension of flying is basically missing in MSFS, I recommend the YT channel of MissionaryBushPilot. Most simmers will be familiar with his channel, but I'm not sure that they are aware that despite him facing challenging approaches in his Kodiak on a daily basis, the main topic of his videos is actually how he tackles the challenges the weather poses to his flying. Try to reproduce that in MSFS, and you will soon get an idea of what I'm talking.

I'm very familiar with that channel. As a matter of fact, I fly in Papua New Guinea often exactly inspired by it. Sure, MSFS isn't perfect in that kind of extreme weather. It's still better than the default state of any other sim, so the complaint is irrelevant and it doesn't negate the fact that the weather has been improving consistently since 2020. 

4 minutes ago, Noel said:

Is there ANY software product that has had anywhere near this much dialogue, this long, between devs and users?    

If your cup's 3/4 empty I'm afraid you won't notice that instead you will whine and whine about what isn't perfect enough yet, on and on in every thread possible.

As someone who has worked in the gaming industry for 23 years (nearly 24 now). There is SOME but it's incredibly rare.

But yeah, it's funny how the usual suspects haunt every positive thread with posts that basically translate into "I'm here to try to dampen everyone's excitement. How do you dare being excited!"

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Abriael

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

Like it's industry standard? It's funny to me that someone is actually surprised or pretends to be. It's already a luxury that for SOME Q&A they actually used an upvote system. They have answered *plenty* of hard questions over the years. Many more than  99% of other developers.

But some just have to be snarky for the sake of being snarky. 🥱

There are a lot of people excited about missions, and no, we don't know much about them. We don't really know how they'll work, what exactly they'll entail, what supporting systems they'll have, and so forth. Knowing they exist and the general aviation topics they'll cover doesn't mean knowing what they'll do.

I'll ignore the "snarky" comment (seeing as the mods removed my initial response, double standards...)...and just simply disagree with you.

They've answered some hard questions but not plenty IMO, they often sit there like rabbits in the headlights trapped in a void not knowing the answer to questions or they smile their way through and pretend everything is brilliant when it's not. Server issues this year need to be discussed as to how MSFS2024 will cope, what Live Weather improvements have they made seeing as that is a very important area for Flight Simulation, along with ATC/AI/etc. By all means talk more about Missions but don't make the entire Presentation about what we already know, it'll be 8/9 weeks later we'll of course see for ourselves but some new information on currently undiscussed areas would be very good.

I'm also guessing they'll announce a bunch of new Partners as they was something they went big on last time, but so far again just silence.

2 minutes ago, MarcG said:

They've answered some hard questions but not plenty IMO, 

There are 2 possible explanations for this position.

1: You have missed the vast majority of their livestreams or you haven't listened. 

2: you do not actually know the difference between a hard question and a softball and are confusing "hard question" with "what I personally want to ask" which is a very common mistake. 

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Abriael

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Is there ANY software product that has had anywhere near this much dialogue, this long, between devs and users?   

Quite a few over the years in the Racing Sim world, Frontier were very vocal in the early years of Elite:Dangerous (but they soon fell silent!). Sometimes though Less Is More, Q&As are all good but they feel like wasted breath half the time and would be better served with a monthly RoadMap Blog or something.

1 minute ago, Abriael said:

There are 2 possible explanations for this position.

1: You have missed the vast majority of their livestreams or you haven't listened. 

2: you do not actually know the difference between a hard question and a softball and are confusing "hard question" with "what I personally want to ask" which is a very common mistake. 

hmm nah you're not getting mate, nevermind enjoy your day 🙂

3 minutes ago, MarcG said:

hmm nah you're not getting mate, nevermind enjoy your day 🙂

Considering your responses, I lean toward option 2. 

Jorg & C usually answer multiple questions that can easily be identified as "hard questions" per stream. Not even in general, but in every single stream, and they have participated in tons of streams in 4 years. Let's not even go into press interviews, which adds to the total (albeit not greatly because most press is simply incompetent, but that's not Jorg & C's fault).

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Abriael

We'll agree to disagree then and you can think all you want thank you 🙂

12 hours ago, scotchegg said:

NGL, bit disappointed we have to wait until the end of September...

Nothing says we won't get anything else before then.

  

9 hours ago, Jeeeno said:

If weather and physics stays the same, not interested. 

they've already confirmed they're not going to be the same. Go watch the FSExpo panels.

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

5 minutes ago, MarcG said:

We'll agree to disagree then and you can think all you want thank you 🙂

Why thank you. I think I will. Especially considering that crafting the balance between hard questions to probe and softballs to put a developer at ease is literally my job and has been for 23 years. I have *some* experience in distinguishing one kind from the other.🙂

4 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Nothing says we won't get anything else before then

Indeed.

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Abriael

The event will hopefully be a good time to showcase the element of FS2024 that will be applicable to the genre that is usually on this site and others like it.  Missions are great for some.  Great for us even, as they bring more money into the sim and keep them around.  But at this point, I'd like to start hearing about what's changed and how it's relevant to us.  Can't wait.  

2 minutes ago, micstatic said:

The event will hopefully be a good time to showcase the element of FS2024 that will be applicable to the genre that is usually on this site and others like it.  Missions are great for some.  Great for us even, as they bring more money into the sim and keep them around.  But at this point, I'd like to start hearing about what's changed and how it's relevant to us.  Can't wait.  

Money is certainly one aspect (and not a secondary one), but I'd say the most important aspect is people, and people are what this hobby needs the most and has needed the most in the past two decades. That need has been in part helped by MSFS, but there's still plenty of room for improvement.

The missions aren't just a 'Go from Point a, do thing at point b and return to a'. They're simulated aviation careers.

Commercial aviation pilot is even one of them. In the interviews where they do talk about them, they take them seriously.

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Tuskin38