2 hours ago, hanhamreds said:

Totally agree, Gayá or whoever it is are going through 40,000 - or the most used airports, but I’m concerned they won’t touch those little used back country strips, small GA fields etc.

Gaya is only touching the handcrafted airports.

 

Orbx is going over the generic airports, in order of most used or something.

 

  

2 hours ago, cianpars said:

Whilst it has not been fully clarified, I am expecting the new sim will have pretty much the same hand crafted airports per version as the old one, which is a bit of a surprise really as I was expecting much better.

They are upgrading those airports so they're not just a 1:1 ports.

Some are just art passes, but at least JFK and Innsbruck are getting whole new versions.

Blu Games did his 2024 career mode preview at Lake Tahoe airport which was one of the USA world update airports. It just appears to just have new ground textures, ground markings, and vehicle models.

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Jorg Neumann addresses the flightsim convention, "Read my lips! No new airports"!!

11 hours ago, cianpars said:

Whilst it has not been fully clarified, I am expecting the new sim will have pretty much the same hand crafted airports per version as the old one, which is a bit of a surprise really as I was expecting much better.

You were expecting "much better" than 160 handcrafted airports?

Which sim in simulation history even came close?

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3 hours ago, Abriael said:

You were expecting "much better" than 160 handcrafted airports?

Which sim in simulation history even came close?

It's not the number, it's the fact that I was expecting a little more than just a small revamp of what we already have considering that having paid for what we have we will be paying again.

Are the 2024 airports just a port over of the 2020 airports or has much work actually been done on them?

37 minutes ago, cianpars said:

It's not the number, it's the fact that I was expecting a little more than just a small revamp of what we already have considering that having paid for what we have we will be paying again.

Are the 2024 airports just a port over of the 2020 airports or has much work actually been done on them?

You're absolutely right. I suspect that whatever new and improved features 2024 has these have been tacked on to the previous airports for maximum compatibility with the new sim. 

I would be surprised if they each had individual improvements instead of upgraded textures /buildings /ground staff etc. 

3 hours ago, cianpars said:

It's not the number, it's the fact that I was expecting a little more than just a small revamp of what we already have considering that having paid for what we have we will be paying again.

Are the 2024 airports just a port over of the 2020 airports or has much work actually been done on them?

Some are completely new builds. JFK and Innsbruck for example 

Queenstown as well I think.

Some of the preview vids from the event included b-roll footage of upgraded airports but I don’t remember all the ones shown.

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6 hours ago, cianpars said:

It's not the number, it's the fact that I was expecting a little more than just a small revamp of what we already have considering that having paid for what we have we will be paying again.

Are the 2024 airports just a port over of the 2020 airports or has much work actually been done on them?

Who said that we're getting a small revamp? The screenshot comparisons we've seen don't show anything "small."

What do you think takes more work, revamping 160 airports, or making 10 new ones?

2 hours ago, Abriael said:

The screenshot comparisons we've seen don't show anything "small."

Depends on the airport. The upgrades to Lake Tahoe are small, assuming they were complete. Just new ground textures and markings, the building models are identical.

St. Barths as well, the terminal is the exact same model as 2020, but the ground textures and markings have been overhauled.

 

Edit: I remembered a couple more airports that appear to be completely remade. Telluride and Courchevel

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9 hours ago, cianpars said:

It's not the number, it's the fact that I was expecting a little more than just a small revamp of what we already have considering that having paid for what we have we will be paying again.

Are the 2024 airports just a port over of the 2020 airports or has much work actually been done on them?

This is a simply astounding attitude relative to the literally same old, same old we've been getting (or NOT getting) from all other flight sim developers through history.

Not to mention that there are freeware versions of literally thousands of airports available if you don't want to "pay for them again". Far more again than has ever been available for other sims.

The airports are just "nice to haves" IMHO - the new aircraft and new missions and new/improved simulation features are where all the money went...smh

The topic title made me think of the airports not existing  in MSFS2020 due to Bing maps being outdated in that region, so the airport was not generated by AI. Now with the new updated Bing maps I believe the AI airport builder will not miss them and we will have some brand new default  airports. 

Like LTFM Istanbul, etc..

On 10/3/2024 at 9:07 PM, Tuskin38 said:

Gaya is only touching the handcrafted airports.

 

Orbx is going over the generic airports, in order of most used or something.

 

  

They are upgrading those airports so they're not just a 1:1 ports.

Some are just art passes, but at least JFK and Innsbruck are getting whole new versions.

Blu Games did his 2024 career mode preview at Lake Tahoe airport which was one of the USA world update airports. It just appears to just have new ground textures, ground markings, and vehicle models.

It was Orbx then, was wondering but couldn't be bothered to rewatch another video - cheers 👍

All this anyway just confirms the massive mess up with the way they procedurally generated 2020 airports 

All they have to do is go over the airports already there and make them feel alive, and improve the ground and aircraft logic.

Tarting them up with improved textures is great - but fix the original issues first, this frankly should be expected with 2024 and failure to do so will be poor imo.

On 10/3/2024 at 1:17 PM, jon b said:

It’s a shame KCMI University of Illinois/Willard has never been given the  attention it deserves as the first home to flight simulator, pre dating Meigs field as the home base.

It will always be a special place to those of us growing up with commodore  “datasette “ cassette loaders, as our world started at KCMI and only went as far North as KIKK greater Kankakee.

Are you referring to Bruce Artwick? Still might do a history clip on this! Very interesting when diving into the archives. Often wonder if he keeps tabs on the progress. Tried to get in touch with him a few years ago with no luck.

4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Depends on the airport. The upgrades to Lake Tahoe are small, assuming they were complete. Just new ground textures and markings, the building models are identical.

St. Barths as well, the terminal is the exact same model as 2020, but the ground textures and markings have been overhauled.

 

Edit: I remembered a couple more airports that appear to be completely remade. Telluride and Courchevel

The fact that they look the same does not mean that they are the same. The SDK live stream explained quite clearly the work that goes into converting scenery from 2020 to 2024, which means that Gaya has likely redone all the LODs at the very least and overhauled all the models' hierarchy to enable Sim Prop Containers and get the related performance improvements.

That is absolutely not small work.

These look the same, but they're not the same.

 

 

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Oh hey, Bilbao again

 

  

3 hours ago, hanhamreds said:

It was Orbx then, was wondering but couldn't be bothered to rewatch another video - cheers 👍

All this anyway just confirms the massive mess up with the way they procedurally generated 2020 airports 

Orbx has already been doing this with world updates. or at least some of them.

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