1 hour ago, Patco Lch said:

Every time I use an ATC program, RC4 or default after two or three flights I go back to self control mode.

Bear in mind that 40nm out from arrival you have the option of following RC vectors or flying the arrival yourself according to the relevant STAR. Best of both worlds. 👍

Demos are available for P2ATC & VoxATC, both of which use SapiTTS voices (from/included with W10/11) to say all airline, airport & fixes names ..... ie no phonetics

The latter is more than simple to use for vfr & ifr and has amongst other features a pronunciation editor & its own traffic engine/controller of *.bgl schedules ..... which is second to none (for many years now).

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

or flying the arrival yourself according to the relevant STAR

Thank you Ray, but how do I do this when RC4 starts assigning decent and vectors? Cancel IFR? 
Hope you are enjoying your vacation.

Hi, BeechCaptain, Where is the PF3INI File located? I cannot see it in my PF3 Folder?

[Try this:   If you add FreeLicence=1 to your PF3.INI file Cofig section you will no longer need to activate the software]

Regards

I have VoxATC and ProATCX, they have been replaced with FSHud.

FSHud is pretty close to being all that I want for an ATC program. Best purchase I have made for P3D in a long time.

 

Hi, BeechCaptain, Where is the PF3INI File located? I cannot see it in my PF3 Folder?

EG: [Try this:   If you add FreeLicence=1 to your PF3.INI file Cofig section you will no longer need to activate the software]

 

Hi, BeechCaptain, Where is the PF3INI File located? I cannot see it in my PF3 Folder?

EG: [Try this:   If you add FreeLicence=1 to your PF3.INI file Cofig section you will no longer need to activate the software]

 

Sorry to ask three times just a save issue!

8 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

Thank you Ray, but how do I do this when RC4 starts assigning decent and vectors? Cancel IFR? 
Hope you are enjoying your vacation.

I suppose it depends how far out your STAR starts. In Europe they start fairly close to the airport. You MUST start your descent when instructed even if it’s before the ToD point in the CDU. 200fpm is the minimum to keep RC4 happy.

The one altitude / FL you MUST adhere to is the final one that gets you down to the assigned altitude / FL 40 miles out. “I need you down in 30 miles or less”.

At that point you can go with RC instructions (the default) or choose the alternative which I think is option 4. Your position will be monitored but no instructions issued. RC will then leave you alone until 7-8 miles out when you’ll be instructed to contact Tower. Thereafter both options converge.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

You MUST start your descent when instructed even if it’s before the ToD point in the CDU

I don't have an atc addon for p3d yet but I'm eyeing up possibilities. My problem with the default is the opposite. I don't get clearance to descend until some time after TOD in my flight plan and by then I'm chasing RNP with spoilers all the way down. 

I get the default is not good. Using FSHUD in msfs I like the 'descend when ready' command but is that realistic? Seems a little vague to me! 

6 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Using FSHUD in msfs I like the 'descend when ready' command but is that realistic?

absolutely real .... is it not assigned / used in FSHUD (P3D). That would be a "showstopper" for me. 

5 hours ago, anzac1977 said:

FSHud is pretty close to being all that I want for an ATC program

as best i see on their videos, traffic "moves" before ATC has assigned the "move (line up for example}" & well before traffic responds .... sounds reactive control rather than proactive like VoxATC.

 

7 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

I don't get clearance to descend until some time after TOD in my flight plan and by then I'm chasing RNP with spoilers all the way down. 

The default has always been abysmal. Hence why RC4 was so successful and popular 20 years ago. You’ll never get that with RC.

7 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

I don't get clearance to descend until some time after TOD in my flight plan and by then I'm chasing RNP with spoilers all the way down. 

With the stock ATC, you have to manually request to descend when you're ready, usually about 150 miles out.  You also have to ignore the heading instructions if you're flying a STAR.  The vectoring is pretty bad even for a simple approach.

It's definitely not 100% realistic, but it has its good points such as the realistic voices.

If you get Editvoicepack, you can add new phraseology as well as a lot more airline names.

Dave

16 hours ago, dave2013 said:

With the stock ATC, you have to manually request to descend

I presume the only way to do that is with REQUEST CRUISE ALTITUDE DECREASE? 

I was doing that for each STAR restriction but as you say they vectored me all over the place so I stopped using it.