9 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

To be fair, if I had looked at that screenshot and seen that blurry area in the foreground, I would have been more concerned about that than how good the clouds and lighting are

I take the point, but on day 2?

EDIT - I am using the Steam version and I have just read this version is having more severe streaming issues than the store version!

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by MrBitstFlyer

why are we talking about scenery in a thread about Flight dynamics and handling?

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

why are we talking about scenery in a thread about Flight dynamics and handling?

Isn't scenery important for ground/water handling?

15 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

A short look at the rock and stones detail at the waters edge.

 

Plenty of FPS, walking games that do forests etc far better, this is flightsim apparently, its really not worth buying a whole game to walk around the ground. I mean if thats what you like doing great, but its not selling it to me.

4 minutes ago, flightyjoe said:

Plenty of FPS, walking games that do forests etc far better, this is flightsim apparently, its really not worth buying a whole game to walk around the ground. I mean if thats what you like doing great, but its not selling it to me.

The sim has a ton of improvements to the actual flying aspects of the sim, and comes with several well made aircraft.

  

17 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I take the point, but on day 2?

EDIT - I am using the Steam version and I have just read this version is having more severe streaming issues than the store version!

I'm on Steam version and it's fine. Both the MS Store and Steam use the exact same servers, so there shouldn't be any difference.

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

5 hours ago, flightyjoe said:

And showing textured fields is not that impressive to someone who knows their way around blender, textured assets are not special. Plenty of that already in MSFS 2020 from 3rd party like parallel 42.

[custom scenery photo snipped]

No offense, but this is a poorly thought out statement.  Showing a custom scenery photo means almost nothing, because the job of a top notch flight simulator is to cover the entire earth with detailed scenery and terrain, while yielding FPS as high as possible.

Any decent artist and 3d modeler and make a good custom scenery. But can they do that for the entire world? 

What good is a custom scenery that covers a few acres of land only?  But all the scenery around it looks like garbage?

And according to you, a good artist can make good customer scenery. But I want custom scenery for the entire world, meter by meter, not just for a few acres of land.   How many artists would it take to do custom scenery to cover the entire world so that it looked good and that it looked accurate? 1 million artists? 10 million artists? 100 million artists?  Yeah, I think we're looking at 100 million artists, working full time, for several years, to cover the entire world.  Even Bill Gates, as rich as he is, can't bankroll 100 million artists, full time, to do custom scenery to cover the entire world.

Which brings me back to your photo.  Why did you bother posting that photo and trying to make a point about custom scenery?  Of course we know custom scenery is good. It's good in FSX, it's good in P3D, it's good in XP, and it's good in MSFS.  The problem is trying to make the entire world look good no matter where you fly to, and nobody can afford to hire 100 million artists working full time to do that.

Why MSFS 2024 is so good from the ground is that the MSFS team has figured out a way to make the entire world outside of cities look pretty good. And they did it within the reasonable budget they were given. So I have no idea why you wasted time bringing up a custom scenery photo and trying to compare that to what MSFS 2024 looks like, it's such a poorly thought out statement and poorly thought out attempt.

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

58 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Isn't scenery important for ground/water handling?

No?

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

6 hours ago, flightyjoe said:

I mod for racing sims and any of these physics changes could of been done now for 2020, modders can change the physics now if they wanted. And showing textured fields is not that impressive to someone who knows their way around blender, textured assets are not special. Plenty of that already in MSFS 2020 from 3rd party like parallel 42.

 

My wife puts on a dinner party that's beyond compare.

She's never be able run a restaurant, though.

That's the difference between modders/artists and commercial services - delivery at scale, at a consumer friendly price.

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta

24 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

No?

MrBitsFlyer is talking about the 4000x improvements in ground details I presume, and how such detailed granular 3D surface/ground representation went hand-in-hand with their ground handling revamp. But that's not exactly what our 2020 diehard keeps bringing up re: scenery here on this thread I guess.

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by lwt1971

12 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

MrBitsFlyer is talking about the 4000x improvements in ground details I presume, and how such detailed granular 3D surface presentation went hand-in-hand with their ground handling revamp. But that's not exactly what our 2020 diehard keeps bringing up re: scenery here on this thread I guess.

Fair enough 

If you lot have to convince yourselves that 2024 is a totally new game totally different and way beyond 2020, then crack on, you are all totally wrong and actually just being offensive to the devs, you know the same ones behind 2020. I am yet to see ANYTHING that makes me feel this is light years ahead of 2020.  As soon as i do i might purchase it, and no a few select areas of nice rocks etc isn't worth the upgrade for me.... 

If you are so fragile in your choices that you feel the need to slag off 2020 and those sticking with it, then that is squarely on you. I can purchase 2024 now if i wanted, so i'm hardly in a bind, you lot acting like you got the only copies and its some NFT , its not its available to all when and if they want it..... i right now don't want it.

Edited November 21, 20241 yr by flightyjoe

2 minutes ago, flightyjoe said:

If you are so fragile in your choices that you feel the need to slag off 2020 and those sticking with it, then that is squarely on you. I can purchase 2024 now if i wanted, so i'm hardly in a bind, you lot acting like you got the only copies and its some NFT , its not its available to all when and if they want it..... i right now don't want it.

This surely must be a joke.. like, projection much with that "fragile" comment?? 🤣 ... Nobody here is "slagging off" 2020, but you seem to be rather upset at all those who're giving attention to 2024, and taking it very personally :S

And we're all very happy for you that you feel 2020 is great (hint: we do too), and that you have no need for 2024, etc, etc. Thank you for telling us this for the millionth time. If only we could all have the confidence and feeling of security in ourselves and our choices, like you do in you and yours 🙃
 

14 minutes ago, flightyjoe said:

If you lot have to convince yourselves that 2024 is a totally new game totally different and way beyond 2020, then crack on, you are all totally wrong and actually just being offensive to the devs, you know the same ones behind 2020. I am yet to see ANYTHING that makes me feel this is light years ahead of 2020.  As soon as i do i might purchase it, and no a few select areas of nice rocks etc isn't worth the upgrade for me.... 

If you are so fragile in your choices that you feel the need to slag off 2020 and those sticking with it, then that is squarely on you. I can purchase 2024 now if i wanted, so i'm hardly in a bind, you lot acting like you got the only copies and its some NFT , its not its available to all when and if they want it..... i right now don't want it.

Step away from the keyboard, have some tea, coffee, water, beer, bourbon, scotch, wine or whatever you prefer and breath. You sound fragile yourself with this post. It’s just a game and just other people’s choices and opinions. Why do you care so much? Genuine question. IF you didn’t put any money into 2024 yet, then with all due respect, aren’t you wasting your time letting other peoples opinions and choices steal your joy? 

52 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Step away from the keyboard, have some tea, coffee, water, beer, bourbon, scotch, wine or whatever you prefer and breath. You sound fragile yourself with this post. It’s just a game and just other people’s choices and opinions. Why do you care so much? Genuine question. IF you didn’t put any money into 2024 yet, then with all due respect, aren’t you wasting your time letting other peoples opinions and choices steal your joy? 

Coffee with a shot of good tequila is a marvelous concoction. 😎

The guy has inverse confirmation bias. And he's entitled to be wrong. 🤣

1 hour ago, flightyjoe said:

I am yet to see ANYTHING that makes me feel this is light years ahead of 2020.

I must agree with you as I imagine a flight simulator 'light years' ahead would make 2020 look rather basic.  As it is we are four years ahead of 2020 which makes 2024 a very decent advancement in the genre.

1 hour ago, flightyjoe said:

and no a few select areas of nice rocks etc isn't worth the upgrade for me

You dismiss all the other advancements too for some reason.  Everyone here has used and loved 2020 (after all, it is a MSFS forum), so why you keep on suggestion we are 'slagging 2020 off' is another baffling statement.  Nobody has critisiced you for sticking with 2020, so why do you feel the need to 'slag off'  any person that dares to suggest a certain feature in 2024 has advanced flight sim?

We were asked about flight dynamics and ground/water handling in the new sim.  The 4000 percent increased resolution of the ground has greatly increased the realism of the world, and how aircraft interact with it.