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Dear ACES, please fix the ATC bug

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I think that's one of those things that is a "feature" (by design) rather than a "bug".You probably already know the workaround. I wish there was an option to change this inconvenient "feature", because the workaround (not contacting ATC for periods of time) is not that realistic either.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Click on the ATC Window to restore keyboard focus.Now reply.Done.

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>Click on the ATC Window to restore keyboard focus.>>Now reply.>>Done.It's not THAT easy...: there are no replies to click on!!! That's the problem!AFAIK this problem only occurs when you do NOT automatically let the ATC window popup. Most simple solution is to turn that option on. Unless you already had that on, of course... I'd personally like to keep that menu hidden as much and often as I can, but I have enabled automatic popping up because I had this problem too often...

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ACES have stated that there will be no more fixes for FSX.

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>Click on the ATC Window to restore keyboard focus.>>Now reply.Needing to "restore focus" to the ATC window to use it is, IMHO, one of the WORST changes from FS9 to FSX and I sure hope they do away with that requirement the next time around. Keep it live all the time! Regards, Kendall#1: E6750@3.2GHZ/Coolermaster HyperTX2 Gigabyte P35-DS3L 4GB Ballistix Tracers PC6400 EVGA 8800GT - 169.28's Seagate 250GB 7200.11 CH Yoke/Pedals/Saitek Throttle Dual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905 #2: Dell 8400 3.2 H.T. 3GB PC4200 - X800XT Diamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530's

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You could open the radio stack window (Shift+2) and change the ATC frequency to anything. Switch it to active and then open the ATC window again. There should be an option to tune in the closest controlling center. Not a fix, but a workaround.--James

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never seen that in something like a thousand hours of using FSX (and most of that using its ATC).so whatever it is it's not a common problem.

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It happens here once in awhile either the mouse or the keyboard doesnt respond to it. One always works if the other doesn't but the one the gets me is when you acknowledge the instruction or handoff and your waiting for your next set of vectors and waiting and waiting and all of a sudden you get "radar service terminated, frequency change approved" for no reason what so ever.

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lol, I do believe it is a common problem, there are numerous threads here and if you google "ATC window problem" you get a lot of stuff...I don't know if it's system related, driver related, programming related ....etc etcI don't get it all the time, but it is annoying.And clicking on the window doesn't work....closing it with the mouse and re-opening it doesn't work either.It would be more annoying if I had to enable "auto-open ATC window" or whatever. I'm glad they made the option to not have it pop up, but now we have this issue....*sigh*There are still bugs that unfortunately were overlooked. Maybe someone can figure out why it does this.

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>lol, I do believe it is a common problem, there are numerous>threads here and if you google "ATC window problem" you get a>lot of stuff...>I've never seen it either. (!!)You can tell by my earlier response, I thought you were talking about the issue of ATC cancelling your IFR flight plan if you don't respond right away. But instead, you were talking about some window focus error or something I have never encountered!! That would be strange to see no menu choices...I wonder what set of configs spawns THIS little problem?RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>>But instead, you were talking about some window focus error or>something I have never encountered!! That would be strange to>see no menu choices...>>I wonder what set of configs spawns THIS little problem?>>RhettYes, correct, I'm talking about ZERO menu choices....ATC is like "hey, copy that???....uuhhh, hey...are you home?"And I say "yeah, ummm, hey, I wish I could respond but I can't, there's no options" HEHE!

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The built-in ATC in general manages to do enough damage even without bugs, though most of it is quite humorous.For example, try flying to MGGT (La Auora Intl, Guatemala). Fly down from the north and set the visibility to low. This will open up the ILS approach at the south end of the airport. You will notice that there are two mountains side by side. You will also notice that after reaching 8,000 feet, ATC will direct you to climb to FL190. This is because they would rather vector you right over the freaking mountain instead of simply going around! It's a pretty steep approach, but I managed to make it in a 737, though I ended up turning off the last taxiway with reverse thrust still going.A similar incident happened when I was trying to land at Hong Kong. The automated ATC lady taking care of me vectored me in so that I was at 10,000 feet only five miles away from the runway I was heading for. I called a missed approach and she did it again.

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It has happened to me as well, and manual tuning the com did nothing, it would tune into the frequency, but no options appeared. I had to reload the flight when it happened.D - -

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It has happened to me once or twice. Each time, I closed the ATC window and then changed the COM1 frequency. The ATC window immediately opened and told me to change frequency (back to what it was before) and when I did that, my options returned and I was able to respond. I don't know why it happens but it is definitely different than the ATC window simply losing focus.R-

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yes, sometimes (though rarely) it doesn't get focus, but I've never seen it pop up without any options to choose...

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Guest UlfB

Oh no :-( No more bugfixes, please.Ulf B

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An even quicker way, available on *some* aircraft:On those aircraft that have a button on the radio to swap two NAV frequencies, just click that button twice. The first click will bring up the options for changing the frequency (restoring the ATC window to a usable state), but since you already are pointing at that button you can as well click again to get back to the old frequency.Anyway, you don't need to open or close the ATC window regardless whether you swap the frequency, or "manually" dial it in.Again, people should not confuse this bug with the "normal" behavior to cancel IFR flights if ATC calls aren't answered. The real bug lies in loosing the *ability* to answer due to NO options being offered at all, as shown in the screenshot.Is it possible that this bug only affects localised versions of FSX (such as my german one, which has an ATC window in german)? This could explain why many folks are not having this problem. (It is also not hard to imagine that everyone at ACES *may* be using the same language version - that could be one of the non-affected ones...?)

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Nope; I have this irritating problem once in a while. My method of getting 'round it - after atc cancels the ifr - is/was to reopen the flight plan. I haven't had the occasion to try the frequency-swapping solution.

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What I am able to do when restoring the options list that disappears is just close the ATC window, wait a couple seconds and reopen the ATC window.When the ATC window opens all my option numbers are listed allowing me to once again communicate.

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OK I can't say I've tried that...I've done that, except I don't wait x seconds, I just close and reopen it. Next time I'll wait a few...

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>For example, try flying to MGGT (La Auora Intl, Guatemala). >Fly down from the north and set the visibility to low. This>will open up the ILS approach at the south end of the airport.> You will notice that there are two mountains side by side. >You will also notice that after reaching 8,000 feet, ATC will>direct you to climb to FL190. This is because they would>rather vector you right over the freaking mountain instead of>simply going around! It's a pretty steep approach, but I>managed to make it in a 737, though I ended up turning off the>last taxiway with reverse thrust still going.>Ah, MGGTYou do know that you can get much more realistic approaches in FSX by DECLINING the hand-holding approach that ATC gives you?It sounds like you were vectored into a straight-in approach to RWY 01 at La Aurora. This appears to not be done that often by a large aircraft there. I'm still studying MGGT ops though.Instead at MGGT you might consider DECLINING fsx's ATC instructions, and instead try the ARC/DME approach into rwy 01 at La Aurora. If you do this approach, the mountains are not an issue (as long as you stay on the approach path) :)RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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I have never seen this bug-but I had a new one last night. The voices stopped working sometimes-e.g. I didn't get my clearance from the tower, and could not repeat it. Yet on a sporadic basis-I did get atc and other traffic voices. Strange....http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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I have had this problem 2 out of every 3 ATC flights. Yesterday flew 3 hours and as I started my descent phase the options disappeared exactly as indicated in the screenshot. I have not tried the switching frequency workaround. About to head off from Heathrow to Moscow so I will give it a try.Andrew

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Well, it would have been nice if they'd used the Acceleration pack as an opportunity to fix some of the more glaring bugs. The didn't, and now those bugs will never be fixed at all.My experience in the game software industry was that fixing bugs is the primary job of the developer UNTIL the next version of the software is actually released. Guess Aces has a different idea.

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