1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

There's no question that many credible people have seen something in the skies that they couldn't identify, to include pilots, police, military, etc.

I personally believe that there are other advanced civilizations in this galaxy, let alone the universe.  Having said that, it is entirely possible that what all these folks have seen are no more than satellites, weather balloons, man-made conventional and experimental aircraft, planets and stars, or weather phenomenon.

There are also some negative aspects to the UFO phenomenon which involve hoaxes and fraud, the scope of which is usually to make money, and we must always be aware of that.

Dave

Absolutely!

5 hours ago, DaviiB said:

Often, believing you're being told the truth has more to do with the kind of information you're hearing. Anything past the level you're willing to accept sounds crazy. I'm not saying that's the case here, but that's why I asked. 

Fair enough.  I'm willing to accept #1 on your list. Beyond that it requires assumptions that I'm not willing to make. It begins to read like some expert describing the alien's diet and social customs. It's bad enough that our own paleontologists do that.

That being said, I found the Alien Autopsy video to be interesting. 

The Mexican alien mummies. I did a search and found that Wired published an article that called the whole thing a hoax. This kind of thing does not create headlines.

NewsNation is supposed to be publishing the interview in about a half hour, if all my math is correct. 

Hook

PS: Watch the full interview during NewsNation’s TV special: “Hunting UFOs: The Crash Retrieval Whistleblower” on Saturday, Jan. 18 at 8 p.m. ET.

H.

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Found it.

 

If aliens are here, then they sure are trying hard to keep hidden. Maybe it's because the aliens fear our advanced technology and are afraid of revealing themselves. Sure they can transverse the space time universe and we can't. But they are in total awe of our ******* and therefore are sure that they need to hide.

(Hopefully the forum algorithm won't replace my naming of the super weapon which some of our "leaders" do not want discussed).

9 minutes ago, Fielder said:

If aliens are here, then they sure are trying hard to keep hidden

Looks that way doesn't it? 

I'd tread lightly around us too. Kind of like how we treat North Sentinel Island (give them lots of space but they still see our aircraft sometimes).

Or even better, think of how you would act around a bunch of apes with automatic rifles. 

 

DB

Depends on how well armed I was and how well I thought I could communicate with these apes. If they can understand how to use a modern rifle, then they understand diplomacy and know how to reason. All aliens realize that Earthlings can reason and act sensible, especially when it's in our best interest to do so.

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12 hours ago, LHookins said:

A distraction from the truth. Other distractions are meant to keep you from noticing something else.

The new WMD: Weapons of Mass Distraction...

Interesting but inconclusive. Nothing there to convince me either way.

The moment he talked about his hair falling out, I knew exactly what it was. Anyone who grew up in the 50s and 60s was familiar with the early symptoms of radiation poisoning. 

The late symptoms include things like throat cancer (at least for the nuclear test soldiers) and muscular weakness/myasthenia gravis. I knew a guy who was one of the test soldiers, and when I was a programmer in the Pentagon I had access to an extensive database about these guys.

At least he hinted at why he was willing to risk his security clearance and possible jail time. He's in fear for his life. 

Here's hoping he can get us lots of good credible evidence.

Hook

19 hours ago, LHookins said:

 

Would you risk your security clearance and possible jail time to publish this kind of story?  I certainly would not. Especially with the incoming administration promising transparency in the matter

 

https://www.twz.com/ufo-whistleblowers-would-get-protection-under-new-amendment

What utter tripe.

Yeah, it was utter nonsense. 

 

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

What utter tripe.

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

Yeah, it was utter nonsense. 

The guy at least tells a good story. A lot to unpack there though.

This is what I consider the most significant.

At one point he gets hit with what I'll call a Feel Good Ray. Woah. Talk about a super weapon. Depending on capabilities, it would be the most powerful weapon in existence.

The objective in warfare is not to kill the enemy. It is to remove his will to fight. This would do that nicely.

If you're being charged by a lion intent on making you a meal, hit him with this and by the time he gets to you he'll roll over and let you rub his tummy.

Think of the implications if used on civilians. Or don't; it is truly frightening. It is de facto mind control.

If we had such technology we'd certainly be using it. Or maybe it's new and hasn't been deployed yet, or maybe it can't target an area larger than a single person.

So. What are the possibilities? 1) It's little green men from Arcturus IV. 2) It's ours but we haven't used it yet. 3) The guy suffered from some sudden medical condition possibly brought on by stress, or more likely induced by drugs. 4) Your guess is as good as mine and I'm not going to get into religious territory. 5) The whole thing is fiction.

I'm tentatively going with 5. If we have a device capable of this, it'll eventually get used. Watch your sources for hints of its effects.

Hook

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None of it seemed genuine to me. 

28 minutes ago, martin-w said:

None of it seemed genuine to me. 

I dunno. 

None of these claims are net-new. 

There have been many people (from all backgrounds) claiming these things over the last 60-70 years. 

If you look at what the long-time researchers on this (J Allen Hynek, Jacques Vallee, Hal Putoff etc) have been saying for decades.... there has been a ton of evidence over the years for everything claimed here. 

 

I guess either it's all BS, or none of it is? 

Both options have fairly severe consequences. 

If it's BS, then a massive psyop has been perpetrated on the whole world for decades, and certain parts of governments are in on it, with whistleblowers and strategically placed disinfo agents all over the place. 

If it's all real, then a massive psyop has been perpetrated on the whole world for decades, and certain parts of governments are in on it, with whistleblowers and strategically placed disinfo agents all over the place. 

 

See the problem? 

 

DB

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

None of it seemed genuine to me. 

Just take it as an art form without regard to its truth or falsehood. A performance, if you will. It's probably good art of its sort.

30 minutes ago, DaviiB said:

I guess either it's all BS, or none of it is? 

Schroedinger's alien. You won't know until you open the box if aliens really exist or not. Until then both are possibilities. This enables me to sit on the fence without being a mugwump. 🙂 

30 minutes ago, DaviiB said:

See the problem?

Good one. 😄 

Hook

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