7 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

So all you need to do is temporarily turn off LS if it’s running, double-click the CP icon in the system tray and there’s the interface. Make any changes in views and then minimise CP and it goes back to the system tray.

Then turn LS back on. It’s not difficult.

Yes thanks Ray! I can actually leave LS on by selecting  Ctrl-ESC in W11 then double clicking CP in the systray icon. As long as I keep CP interface on screen I can leave LS on too which saves switching back and forth all the time. Both options work for me!

24 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

As long as I keep CP interface on screen I can leave LS on too which saves switching back and forth all the time. Both options work for me!

I’ve found leaving LS on impacts badly with mouse movements. Hence why I turn it off when using the CP interface.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’ve found leaving LS on impacts badly with mouse movements. Hence why I turn it off when using the CP interface.

I must be lucky then! If it's foreground I'm ok, use hardware pans and buttons to adjust most views. For sure with LS you MUST only work with one window at a time. For p3d menu work or fsuipc LS MUST be off or its unusable.

Just finished the whole PMDG 747/777 fleet custom views/fsuipc mouse macros. Muscle memory helps now it's been a few days work!

Just my GA fleet left...I've been resetting all my zoom levels. Finding 0.85 works best for all of them actually. MSFS has really put me off the fish eye look for good!

8 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

I've been resetting all my zoom levels. Finding 0.85 works best for all of them actually.

Several years ago a clever user came up with the correct zoom setting. Divide the smaller aspect of your display by the larger one. So a 16:9 would result in 0.56. I’ve been using that for years.

Thanks Ray

Gérard 

Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by gaab

20 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Several years ago a clever user came up with the correct zoom setting. Divide the smaller aspect of your display by the larger one. So a 16:9 would result in 0.56. I’ve been using that for years.

If it works it works, although that seems maybe more a lucky guess than scientific? 

That calculation means simply the wider the screen the wider the zoom which is somewhat redundant as you get a wider screen to increase your fov in the first place. So people with 32:9 screens would have a 0.28 zoom setting which would be way too wide surely and give you tiny fonts and cockpit labels?

If I'm taking the zoom setting literally 1= true to life what our eyes see (we have wide fov not wide angle) and 0.5 is double the detail in the same area.

The. 85 setting is giving me some amazing external views now (after moving camera further from plane) and shots looking outside from cabin over wing for example now look like the real thing. The scenery is no longer tiny and distant, takeoffs and landings much more exciting for me as you appear so much closer (realistically) to the ground than with artificial wide settings. 

Obviously you have to compromise with the fov being so low compared to what we see as humans but I don't mind panning at 60 fps! The cockpit looks realistically cramped like in real life at .85 too, flight officers window being an arm stretch away instead of a broom length. 

I wouldn't be spending well over a week redoing all my views if the improvement wasn't THIS good 😉😁. 

Of course, quality of scenery comes into play with your immersion too. With TrueEarth for example, above 5000ft at 0.85 my jaw is fixed permanently to the floor. It's hard to fly in other areas now. The flip side of coin is below 3000 ft my cabin views of ground start to look less impressive, whereas an artificial wide angle view would put those tiles further away 😏. 

I only fly in and out of addon airports, orbx in my case, the 0.85 gives me much better approaches from captains seat now. It's like a brand new sim, I'm loving it! 

7 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

although that seems maybe more a lucky guess than scientific? 

Not a lucky guess. With a square display no magnification is necessary. In order to keep a round display round the magnification needs adjusting as the screen becomes wider but not taller. Without that adjustment a circular instrument will become oval.

6 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Not a lucky guess. With a square display no magnification is necessary. In order to keep a round display round the magnification needs adjusting as the screen becomes wider but not taller. Without that adjustment a circular instrument will become oval.

Woaahhh Ray. You're assuming changing aspect ratio stretches and shrinks the screen like it did maybe 20 plus years ago. Every screen these days whatever the aspect ratio has the correct ON SCREEN aspect ratio as long as you use the correct display setting of course. Which is pretty much set by windows and inherited by apps and games these days. 

Zoom ratio has no effect at all on whether an instrument is square or oval. The wider the screen the wider the FOV. Nothing gets stretched any more! 

Edit: even if the screen WAS stretched and shrunk changing zoom value changes BOTH dimensions not just one. You don't just zoom horizontally or vertically. 

Edited July 23, 2025Jul 23 by sloppysmusic

31 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Woaahhh Ray. You're assuming changing aspect ratio stretches and shrinks the screen like it did maybe 20 plus years ago. Every screen these days whatever the aspect ratio has the correct ON SCREEN aspect ratio as long as you use the correct display setting of course.

Yes, my mistake. It’s the FOV I meant, not instruments. It’s purely a personal thing but this discussion with a video from four years ago might help.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/601580-fov-too-wide-…/page/2/#findComment-4549892

 

24 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Yes, my mistake. It’s the FOV I meant, not instruments. It’s purely a personal thing but this discussion with a video from four years ago might help.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/601580-fov-too-wide-…/page/2/#findComment-4549892

 

Ah yes WIDEVIEW. Forgot about that! For landings I have TWO captain views on a chaseplane toggle. Default is view ahead with panels, 0.75-0.85 zoom, 2nd I call VFR and is 0.9-1x. That view has user moved back so you dont jump forward in the plane! First click always brings me to the panel view, but for manual landings I press again and the 2nd CP view (VFR) comes up which gives a very realistic view of runway ahead. Being able to assign the same button to multiple views in CP is a game changer for reasons like this. I have two landing views, I could have more but these 2 do me fine. 

This is bizarre. I setup a PMDG 777-300ER flight from Sydney to Singapore a couple of hours ago and completely forgot about toggling the CP option. Panning is fine. I wonder if something has changed in a Windows update.

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This is bizarre. I setup a PMDG 777-300ER flight from Sydney to Singapore a couple of hours ago and completely forgot about toggling the CP option. Panning is fine. I wonder if something has changed in a Windows update.

If it has, it doesn't show on my setup. Did Perth to Singapore flight today and panning was tortoise slow until I flipped the switch.

21 minutes ago, IanHarrison said:

If it has, it doesn't show on my setup. Did Perth to Singapore flight today and panning was tortoise slow until I flipped the switch.

Same aircraft?

6 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This is bizarre. I setup a PMDG 777-300ER flight from Sydney to Singapore a couple of hours ago and completely forgot about toggling the CP option. Panning is fine. I wonder if something has changed in a Windows update.

Mine was still bad a few days back. Windows is ALWAYS updating. One thing I found that sometimes works is to use a view button quick say pilot look left then pilot right and it then 'unsticks' the snail pace. 

Sometimes.. I'll have to check p3d again tonight now Asobo has DESTROYED the only reason I fly the other sim... 

14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Same aircraft?

No.  777 is not available to buy any more. I use my 747-400.