1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

? Since April 1st, EVs have had to pay VED.

£10 new over a £100 on the second year that`s not the same as an ICE powered car.

https://youtu.be/HjSyYZ5M2H8

Mercedes have said they have no intension to stop building ICE powered vehicles in the near future. Because more than 60% of the world's future car buyers are in countries that are not banning ICE powered vehicles, and they will move if forced too. 

One of the countries with the biggest growth in new car sales is India surprisingly.

And I'm in before the lock!

I think that EV's and internal combustion engine vehicles both have their place.  I do not relish the thought of not having a choice between the two, at least not with the current, slow to recharge batteries and limited number of charging stations.  Using water, I expect it needs to be distilled water and not tap water, and electrolysis to separate hydrogen for use in a fuel cell powered motor sounds like a good idea.  It has always sounded like a good idea.  Maybe one day it will be a practical solution.

I bought a Honda Civic e-HEV full hybrid a couple of months ago. I chewed over hybrid or EV for some time. Both would fit in my garage (mandatory) but the killer was the price of over £40K for the EV.

Cars of that price are deemed luxury in the UK. That meant an extra £400 per year for four years of VED on top of the standard tax of £195 although this is just £10 for the first year. My hybrid VED is £195.

So if our leaders want us to buy EVs they need to consider raising the limit before pretty ordinary family cars become “luxury”.

But the irony is with their extra weight EVs do more damage to our roads than ICE ones. Oh the irony. And don’t get me started on the size of modern cars. They’re ridiculous and totally unsuitable for our roads.

In the north more so than the south off street parking is not an option, rows of terraced houses is the norm and home charging are not an option and against the law to run a cable from the house. This could mean driving into town to charge your vehicle in traffic.

7 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

 The UK is not having charging stations in the parliament area for safety reasons, and the PM is exempt from using EVs for his official vehicle for Safety reasons. 

For which safety reason exactly ? I hope it's not for fire, else they would have to ban the ICE vehicules at first 🙂

2 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

And EVs are going to have to pay the full road tax in the near future or the taxman is going to lose billions.

Why is that a concern for EVs but not for ICE cars ? 

Currently with ICE cars, you pay a lot of taxes on your fuel, and nevertheless you literally waste 80% of it, using only 20% to move the car. Electricity might be taxed of course, but at least you're using 90% of what you paid for 🙂

20 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But the irony is with their extra weight EVs do more damage to our roads than ICE ones. Oh the irony. And don’t get me started on the size of modern cars. They’re ridiculous and totally unsuitable for our roads.

Shall we stop with that legend ?

My BMW E38 from the 90's weighted 2 tons. My Tesla model 3, which has more space for the passengers AND a bigger trunk (and frunk 😄 ), weighted 1.8 tons. Damage to roads is done mostly by trucks and buses, i.e VERY heavy vehicules.

12 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

In the north more so than the south off street parking is not an option, rows of terraced houses is the norm and home charging are not an option and against the law to run a cable from the house. This could mean driving into town to charge your vehicle in traffic.

... You mean, exactly like an ICE car ? Oh, the horror !! 😄

Pro tip: for EV drivers, charging at home is a luxury, not a necessity.

Edited June 18, 2025Jun 18 by Daube

8 minutes ago, Daube said:

Shall we stop with that legend ?

My BMW E38 from the 90's weighted 2 tons. My Tesla model 3, which has more space for the passengers AND a bigger trunk (and frunk 😄 ), weighted 1.8 tons. Damage to roads is done mostly by trucks and buses, i.e VERY heavy vehicules.

Those vehicles have always caused damage but there are far fewer of them on non major roads. The extra weight and sheer number of modern cars irrespective of the engine type is a problem. Some multi-storey car parks built decades ago weren’t designed for the weight of modern cars and could collapse.

16 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

https://www.livescience.com/technology/electric-vehicles/ev-battery-that-recharges-in-just-18-seconds-green-lit-for-mass-production

Certification for mass production.  Beats filling up an ICE and beats Porsche Cayenne EV charge record at 14 minutes to full charge.

I’m sure my post will get removed since I mentioned the yet to be defined horrific abbreviation “EV” which surely is somehow political or “word not allowed”.

I’ve asked for my AVSIM account to be removed, but sadly moderates are only willing to delete my posts under the pretense of whatever they deem “political” but not my account … gotta keep the membership count high for those advertisers.  

I guess anything could be deemed political … since we do live and operate in a society that is governed.

Maybe this one will get Admins attention and they’ll implement my account delete request.

 

I've read the article but they don't give much technical information about that battery.

However, even though I have limited knowledge on these technologies, I have the impression that this new battery is in fact more a "super capacitor", which is a completely different way to store the energy. Capacitors can store very fast, and deliver very fast. Unfortunately, the energy density was very low (until now, at least) and they are not able to maintain their state of charge for a long time.

Anybody has more informations about what kind of technology this new "battery" is based upon ?

 

EDIT: I'll take the opportunity for bonus question for the native speakers: is it "based upon", or "based on" ? Which one is correct ? Thanks in advance 🙂

 

Edited June 18, 2025Jun 18 by Daube

14 minutes ago, Daube said:

Why is that a concern for EVs but not for ICE cars ? 

Currently with ICE cars, you pay a lot of taxes on your fuel, and nevertheless you literally waste 80% of it, using only 20% to move the car. Electricity might be taxed of course, but at least you're using 90% of what you paid for 🙂

Billions come into the government from taxes and fuel duty. From the haulage industry as well that adds to the cost of your high street and supermarket shopping. And no one has even mentioned the true cost of 90% of goods going by road. And have yet to see a 44ton EV truck that going to replace them. 

So you will not mind paying £600-1,000 VED duty to make up the lost revenue and Electricity cost in the UK is the highest in the world at present. 

BP and Shell are winding down their operations in the UK laying off workers.

In Spain today fresh produce is being placed on a temperature-controlled trailer, overnight it will be taken to a French port and shipped to the UK and in the London market next day.

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

£10 new over a £100 on the second year that`s not the same as an ICE powered car.

https://youtu.be/HjSyYZ5M2H8

It's £195 on the second year, but I really struggle to see what was the point being made here..

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

Mercedes have said they have no intension to stop building ICE powered vehicles in the near future. Because more than 60% of the world's future car buyers are in countries that are not banning ICE powered vehicles, and they will move if forced too. 

You're right, Mercedes changed their tune because demand for their EVs was less than ideal. They dropped the ball on their EV platform. Meanwhile Volkswagen, BMW, Skoda, Audi, Renault and Kia have seen explosive EV growth this year. EV sales is growing in the UK and in the world and you can't refute that and goes back to the original point I was making when you first posted. 

Did you forget that? I'm a little confused on what your saying at this point.

3 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Billions come into the government from taxes and fuel duty. From the haulage industry as well that adds to the cost of your high street and supermarket shopping. And no one has even mentioned the true cost of 90% of goods going by road. And have yet to see a 44ton EV truck that going to replace them. 

I don't know how trucks are related to the taxes we were discussing about, but anyways, EV trucks are actually happening. And I'm not only talking about the Tesla, there are other brands such as Mercedes and Volve which are selling some. You don't see them yet because it's too soon, that's all. 

3 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

So you will not mind paying £600-1,000 VED duty to make up the lost revenue and Electricity cost in the UK is the highest in the world at present. 

Let's be clear here: you have absolutely no idea about what you are talking about.  The "fuel" sales are not going to stop any time soon. Planes, emergency vehicules, utility vehicules etc.... and all the ICE cars that will continue to run after 2030/2035 because the ban will not impact the 2nd hand...

3 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

BP and Shell are winding down their operations in the UK laying off workers.

On the other hand, Total is investing massively on other energies, and the "Total Energy" recharge network is developping nicely.

3 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

In Spain today fresh produce is being placed on a temperature-controlled trailer, overnight it will be taken to a French port and shipped to the UK and in the London market next day.

Again, how is that related and how would electric vehicules prevent that ? You really have no idea, do you ?

49 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

In the north more so than the south off street parking is not an option, rows of terraced houses is the norm and home charging are not an option and against the law to run a cable from the house.

There's been a plethora off street-parking solutions for EVs that's being trialed in multiple councils

2 hours ago, Lucky38i said:

In 2017, Volvo announced plans to phase out internal combustion-only vehicle production by 2019, after which all new cars manufactured by Volvo will either be fully electric or electric hybrids.

In 2017 Volvo [owned by China] plans to phase out ICE vehicle production by 2019, China that has a financial interest in ICE vehicles being banned. They own MG also and are looking for more industries to buy up. they can build them in China much cheaper