https://www.livescience.com/technology/electric-vehicles/ev-battery-that-recharges-in-just-18-seconds-green-lit-for-mass-production

Certification for mass production.  Beats filling up an ICE and beats Porsche Cayenne EV charge record at 14 minutes to full charge.

I’m sure my post will get removed since I mentioned the yet to be defined horrific abbreviation “EV” which surely is somehow political or “word not allowed”.

I’ve asked for my AVSIM account to be removed, but sadly moderates are only willing to delete my posts under the pretense of whatever they deem “political” but not my account … gotta keep the membership count high for those advertisers.  

I guess anything could be deemed political … since we do live and operate in a society that is governed.

Maybe this one will get Admins attention and they’ll implement my account delete request.

 

Battery tech is evolving. It has to.

However, that is not the real problem. The real problem is what do we do with all the batteries after said EVs are discarded (no one in their right mind would buy a used EV with a degraded power pack however attractive the price may be).
If it was economically viable to recycle batteries why aren't we we seeing lines and lines of recyclers  anxiously waiting for our old batteries (not just EV batteries but everything under the sun, since so much of what we use every day is powered by those cells)?
The sad truth is that batteries get dumped and a very small percentage ever makes it to the few recycling companies that do exist.
Leave aside the huge amounts of rare earth minerals required (by the current tech) to fulfill that sort of demand. There just isn't enough.

This pipe dream push towards Net Zero is impractical as of yet. It has to be a long term goal and pursued in a scientific manner rather than embrace any and every new idea without research or forethought.

Yes, this may get political but how much does any rational and thinking person really trust any of today's politicians, in any country, to make any decisions based purely on betterment of society, which is their actual bloody job, and not in the interests of powerful lobby groups? Not think about lining their pockets and heeding advice from scientists, engineers and the like instead?

That's actually good news.

Although I don't want to be forced to buy one, I support EVs and as they continue to improve and mature I'm sure that more and more folks will eventually get one -  even me!

Dave

@CO2Neutral Moderators have no, none , zero authority to remove your account.  Talk to the boss.  He's
the only one that will do that.  If everyone can keep on topic...EV's and not power generation or govt. con-
spiracies about the production of electricity, then the topic will survive.  EV topics have a bad habit of going
south quickly.  Keep on track.

3 hours ago, speedyTC said:

However, that is not the real problem. The real problem is what do we do with all the batteries after said EVs are discarded 
The sad truth is that batteries get dumped and a very small percentage ever makes it to the few recycling companies that do exist.
Leave aside the huge amounts of rare earth minerals required (by the current tech) to fulfill that sort of demand. There just isn't enough.

EV batteries are extremely recyclable. The process recovers between 90 - 99% of the lithium, nickel and cobalt contained in the original battery, and those materials can be recycled an infinite number of times. More facilities are required to handle the volume of batteries that will need to be recycled, but those are already being built  - just like we built facilities to recycle the metals from regular cars as they became popular decades ago. 

If you could go back in time to 1910 and tell Henry Ford that there would one day be 300 million cars on the road in the future, I'm sure even he would say that's logistically impossible: "there isn't that much fossil fuel - how would we manufacture that much rubber for tires (1.2 billion+ tires!), etc.. etc.." I think the same is true for EVs - some things seem like roadblocks now, but the market will find a way to overcome them. 

Here's a quick video on the process:

BTW - Talking about science, technology, vehicles, manufacturing, etc... that's what hangar chat is all about! I mean, what better to chat about in a hangar than geeky mechanical stuff?

The free market will decide the issue of which power supply will dominate. Check the sales figures and trends to see the current and future situation.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot force it to drink, EV sales in Europe are falling some manufacturers have halted production due backlog of storage. The UK is not having charging stations in the parliament area for safety reasons, and the PM is exempt from using EVs for his official vehicle for Safety reasons. 

34 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

, EV sales in Europe are falling some manufacturers have halted production due backlog of storage. reasons. 

False. And some people should visit Norway for a glimpse of a country that lives way ahead in the future.

Ever since i got my EV, the money i stopped wasting in fuel and maintenance for the same distances is just amazing. Perhaps not the definitive future, but it is the future and i welcome it with open arms.

 

2 hours ago, Nuno Pinto said:

False. And some people should visit Norway for a glimpse of a country that lives way ahead in the future.

Ever since i got my EV, the money i stopped wasting in fuel and maintenance for the same distances is just amazing. Perhaps not the definitive future, but it is the future and i welcome it with open arms.

Norway`s energy minister tells Britain don`t give up on oil and gas in the North Sea. Norway has no plans to stop drilling in the North Sea for energy security.

That doesn't mean they're ditching EVs. It's up to 65% of the running vehicles (you can clearly see the proportion in the streets) and increasing dramatically. Even where i live where people are reluctant to move forward it's noticeable.

Whole different subject.

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention something really important which is infrastructure and government support (as well as country size / distances). EVs aren't really suitable for people who regularly travel long distances and require to be here and there without sparing those 20-30 minutes required to at least top up an EV to proceed with their journey. I VERY rarely have to drive over 300km and even then i never need to charge with a 64kWh battery on my car.

Things get a bit different if you need to travel say 600km in a row (although not really recommended but that's another subject) as fast as possible within the limits and have to stop maybe 2x20 minutes to charge from say 20 to 80%. So, not suitable for all cases at present.

Also infrastructure is important, if you don't have many places to charge in such trips, people will not really invest in EVs.

Edited June 18, 2025Jun 18 by Nuno Pinto

4 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

The UK is not having charging stations in the parliament area for safety reasons, and the PM is exempt from using EVs for his official vehicle for Safety reasons. 

While this is a fair concern it's not the smoking gun you're thinking of.

As of 10 months ago there was nearly 1m chargers in the UK, roughly 90k of those were public chargers. There is now more public charger stations than there is petrol stations in the UK.

Currently 1.2% of cars on the road in the UK are EVs. Last year around 20% of new car registrations have been BEVs.

There is a clear uptake of EV usage in the UK.

Sources:

https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/home-and-community-charging

https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-many-charging-points

https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/ev-market

https://www.zap-map.com/news/uk-50000-charge-point-milestone

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

Norway`s energy minister tells Britain don`t give up on oil and gas in the North Sea. Norway has no plans to stop drilling in the North Sea for energy security.

Yet right now, the UK's energy grid is made up of 40% renewables with a further 15% from nuclear (As of writing this message)

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Yes 20% of falling new car sales are EVs, new car sales are the lowest for 20 years in the UK. The UK is pushing back the ban on fossil fuel vehicles for fear of manufactures leaving the UK. Oil and gas industry in the UK is taxed at 78% the highest of the western country's

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-break-down-more-often-reveal-both-what-car-and-the-aa/ar-AA1GUyNJ

And EVs are going to have to pay the full road tax in the near future or the taxman is going to lose billions.

28 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Yes 20% of falling new car sales are EVs, new car sales are the lowest for 20 years in the UK.

What does that have to do with the current makeup of new car sales? Whether the number of total sales has dropped or risen, the EV portion of those sales has risen.

30 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

The UK is pushing back the ban on fossil fuel vehicles for fear of manufactures leaving the UK

No.. They haven't, it was rumored that the Sunak government was going to push the sale of fossil fuel vehicles to 2035. That didn't occur and the ban is still slated for 2030. Meanwhile, as judging below, manufacturers aren't going anywhere.

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In 2017, Volvo announced plans to phase out internal combustion-only vehicle production by 2019, after which all new cars manufactured by Volvo will either be fully electric or electric hybrids.

In 2018, Volkswagen Group's strategy chief said "the year 2026 will be the last product start on a combustion engine platform".

In 2021, General Motors announced plans to go fully electric by 2035.

In the same year, the CEO of Jaguar Land Rover, Thierry Bolloré also claimed that its Jaguar brand would be electric-only by 2025.

By March, Volvo Cars announced that by 2030 it "intends to only sell fully electric cars"

In April 2021, Honda announced that it will stop selling gas-powered vehicles by 2040.

In July 2021, Mercedes-Benz announced that its new vehicle platforms will be EV-only by 2025.

In Oct 2021, Rolls-Royce announced that it will be fully electric by 2030.

In 2022, Maserati announced its plans to offer full-electric variants of all its models by 2025 and its intention to halt production of combustion engine vehicles by 2030.

 

 

34 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Oil and gas industry in the UK is taxed at 78% the highest of the western country's

Yes that's how adoption works and incentivize the market to use renewable energy sources and the energy grid has faired better for it.

 

36 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/electric-cars-break-down-more-often-reveal-both-what-car-and-the-aa/ar-AA1GUyNJ

A user-input survey of 30k that doesn't really detail what a breakdown means. This included simple things like restarting the vehicle or not knowing how to remove a charger. User error.

Meanwhile a survey done by ADAC with 3.6 million operations in 2025 showed that ICE vehicle were 2.5x more likely to actually breakdown.  Showing 4.2 breakdowns per 1000s EVs and ICE vehicles were 10.4 breakdowns per 1000.

Start Rescue, a major breakdown company in the UK published a study showing EVs were 59% less likely to breakdown than their ICE counterpart.

Sources:

https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news/evs-are-59-less-likely-to-break-down-says-start-rescue/#:~:text=The myth about poor electric,(internal combustion engine) vehicles.

https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/unfall-schaden-panne/adac-pannenstatistik/#technikvergleich-e-auto-gegen-verbrenner-

44 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

And EVs are going to have to pay the full road tax in the near future or the taxman is going to lose billions.

What did you think would happen as adoption pick up? Since April 1st, EVs have had to pay VED.