I have 3000+ real world hours flying the A319/A320 and 5000+ hours on the A330, so I think I know the airbus pretty well. I have no experience flying the 321 CEO/NEO but if I have to choose between Fenix and FSL, I'd pick FSL .. don't ask me why but the FSL feels more like the real deal. Not a scientific observation by any means but a very objective personal pick. Just my two cents. GSX is a bit of a hit and miss, but flying wise I prefer FSL.

 

For what it's worth,

 

 

Jan

1 hour ago, Jeanke330 said:

Tengo más de 3000 horas reales de vuelo en el A319/A320 y más de 5000 horas en el A330, así que creo que conozco bastante bien el Airbus. No tengo experiencia volando el 321 CEO/NEO, pero si tuviera que elegir entre el Fenix y el FSL, elegiría el FSL... no me pregunten por qué, pero el FSL se siente más real. No es una observación científica, ni mucho menos, sino una elección personal muy objetiva. Es solo mi opinión. El GSX es un poco impredecible, pero en cuanto a vuelo, prefiero el FSL.

 

Por si sirve de algo,

 

 

Ene

The real pilots I know are exactly the same as you, they all prefer FSlabs.

1 hour ago, Jeanke330 said:

don't ask me why but the FSL feels more like the real deal.

That's probably because they simulate ACARS more completely and have maintenance modeled and the MCDU not miss steps the real thing has like the one from Fenix that still can't properly insert waypoints after the runway or store pilot routes for review of the flightplan.

 

So that all contributes to the feeling that you are doing exactly what you are doing in real life when you operate a flight, while Fenix misses many of these steps.

 

That being said from what I saw I think the Fenix looks and flies better.

I haven't watched most of it, but V1 is streaming a head to head.

 

He did a stream yesterday. He said it is missing basic things like ETP which Fenix has, he tried to do a hold yesterday its still bugged from P3D missing ecam alerts on a failure he did. Sounds need working on. I think he said he felt the flight model in the Fenix felt better besides the flare. Overall he felt Fenix was still ahead.

I dunno why it always descends into this is better than that or my friends sister's cousin flies this and says blah.

Two great addons. Enjoy one, or the other, or both. It's a simulated airplane, not real world. 95% of us will never know what it's like to fly one in the real world. So enjoy them for what they are.

We've come a long way since the early days. Let's not forget that.

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13 minutes ago, Tavers said:

I dunno why it always descends into this is better than that

Because two developers decided to do the same aircraft and compete.

4 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Because two developers decided to do the same aircraft and compete.

Fenix haven't released a NEO yet.

This thread had nothing to do with Fenix.

20 minutes ago, Tavers said:

I dunno why it always descends into this is better than that or my friends sister's cousin flies this and says blah.

In this case, I was more pointing out the first half of the stream has more flight examples than the usual "takeoff, cruise, land" a lot of streamers have. He did a bunch of things to see how it reacts compared to his RW A21n experience.

7 minutes ago, Tavers said:

Fenix haven't released a NEO yet.

This thread had nothing to do with Fenix.

You do know that the only difference between the CEO and the NEO is the engine?

29 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You do know that the only difference between the CEO and the NEO is the engine?

They aren't the only differences.

36 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You do know that the only difference between the CEO and the NEO is the engine?

Not true.

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According to V1's very lengthy test video the Fenix wins out on every normal operations test except for the battery test on initial load in and the brake temperature simulation. I'm interested in seeing how his abnormal procedures comparison turns out. That's one area FSLabs does enjoy to dig deep into. (As evident by their tail strike simulation).

2 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

He did a stream yesterday. He said it is missing basic things like ETP which Fenix has, he tried to do a hold yesterday its still bugged from P3D missing ecam alerts on a failure he did. Sounds need working on. I think he said he felt the flight model in the Fenix felt better besides the flare. Overall he felt Fenix was still ahead.

Isn’t he a beta tester for Fenix and always quite biased in favor of them? Just to put this into perspective.

9 minutes ago, MaximumN2 said:

Isn’t he a beta tester for Fenix and always quite biased in favor of them? Just to put this into perspective.

I'm not sure how active he is in the beta program, if at all these days. He had a couple of NDA oopses on stream. That said, whenever says something negative about something it becomes "it's bias". 

I have found V1 overal fair when regarding the Fenix. He did have a lot to say about the pre-B1 performance of the Fenix that was not completely glowing, especially with the flare and ground effect.

He also did a head to head with the Fenix and Tolis and was fair in his grading.

In this case, I only caught bits of it but I don't think he set the FSL version to fail.

Also, I don't really have a dog in this race. I am a fan of the Fenix and do not own the FSL 21n. However, once they release the PWs and hopefully a performance patch to address things I will likely revisit this. More so on the PWs. It's not related, but Fenix's "in a couple of weeks" has really soured me on any devs estimates.