1 minute ago, SayAgain said:

No, for AI to be effective, the LLMs used will need to come from many sources … why do you think nVidia and other companies are pushing it and using it?  The race is on and it will have fundamental changes and considerable fear mongering … but as the LLMs evolve and the information will progressively get more and more accurate.  It will not prevent people from not believing the information, heck, facts have never stop anyone’s diehard beliefs … those will continue to the end of time.  But the beauty in the AI LLMs and data sources is the fiction will eventually be tossed with nothing but facts left over.

AI already providing significant help in the work I do, reducing coding errors, optimizing code, research, building more realistic high quality video/imagery, conversions, self detection of adjusted (aka fake) images/video, security, etc. 

But sure, people are going to fear it because they don’t understand it … nothing new with human behavior.  However, the realization of its importance extends globally.  The race is on … because facts (not beliefs) result it better decisions.

People seeking power will screw it up, just like always. 

19 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

People seeking power will screw it up, just like always. 

They will try, but frankly aren’t intelligent enough to know how to screw it up.  About the best they can accomplish will be to give another country the upper hand via restrictions and fear.  

There is a technology exodus or brain drain (perhaps a strong word, more like a shift) of talent and companies in the US moving to other global locations (don’t want to get into details any further as that goes down the road of politics and eventual thread closure).  The technology industry I work in, myself (and wife) as are other friends are relocating to countries outside the US.  Portugal is a destination we’re investigating as are a few other locations (much of the work I do can be done entirely remotely).

Edited August 6, 2025Aug 6 by SayAgain

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

“People” lead to problems, not one system or another.

Well, everything is "people", really.  We talk about "government" or "companies", but these are just associations of people.

The system, framework, set of rules, etc. that a society decides to adopt is indeed very important.  If the people in a society decide that they want a benevolent ruling power to keep them safe and provide everything for them, then then they must create a system which can accomplish this.  If instead they decide they want to provide for themselves with minimal restrictions and governing, the system they create will be much different than the other one.

Dave

3 hours ago, SayAgain said:

There is a technology exodus or brain drain (perhaps a strong word, more like a shift) of talent and companies in the US moving to other global locations (don’t want to get into details any further as that goes down the road of politics and eventual thread closure).

Now that made me laugh, LOL. 

You are sadly misinformed, but hey, believe what you want to believe.

All one has to do is read a bit about "The Century Foundation" to know that it cannot be trusted.

Anyway, good luck to you in Portugal.  The locals there will be so happy to see more Americans showing up and driving up their real estate and rent costs.

Dave

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

All one has to do is read a bit about "The Century Foundation" to know that it cannot be trusted

Oh yes, she is pure evil … and your opinion is to be trusted?  

How so?  

What are your qualifications?  

What information is specifically not accurate in the article or with Century Foundation … or would you like to discuss the US Job Reports … oh wait, you can’t because the person responsible for putting together the US Jobs Report was in the “cannot be trusted” category and fired without reason or justification other than “the numbers didn’t look good” …. yet when the numbers did “look good” a few months ago that same person was  “to be trusted”.  

I wonder if you know how many people that produce DLC for MSFS and other flight simulators are NOT local.  I don’t operate on luck so you can keep that to yourself.

 

Edited August 6, 2025Aug 6 by SayAgain

2 hours ago, SayAgain said:

What are your qualifications?

Decades of real-life experience, decades of reading about history, economics, finance, and science, and plain old common sense.

BTW, I know that I'm not always right, but there are a few things that I believe to be axioms based simply on history.  Capitalism, for example, with all its flaws, has created more wealth and pulled more people out of poverty than any other system in human history.  The other system has, in every time period and every place it's been tried, resulted in misery and poverty.

Dave

8 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Decades of real-life experience, decades of reading about history, economics, finance, and science, and plain old common sense

 

😁 One of the sciences will need more decades.

 

8 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Capitalism, for example, with all its flaws, has created more wealth and pulled more people out of poverty than any other system in human history

 

Except that these days, its become corporatism.

Edited August 7, 2025Aug 7 by martin-w

12 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Capitalism, for example, with all its flaws, has created more wealth and pulled more people out of poverty than any other system in human history

Regulated Capitalism Yes, unregulated No. 2008 real estate collapse from unregulated banks, 1929 stock market collapse again due to unregulated.  As with ALL things in life, there needs to be balance and a lot less stereotype hate … like this baseless fear for example is NOT good for anyone 

https://www.axios.com/2025/08/07/trump-intel-ceo

We need to do better than this.

Edited August 7, 2025Aug 7 by SayAgain

27 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

a lot less stereotype hate

I ABSOLUTELY agree.  Probably not about the same people.

Hook

38 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

2008 real estate collapse from unregulated banks, 1929 stock market collapse again due to unregulated.

Google "building market collapse in China"
 

Quote

China's building market is facing a severe crisis, characterized by declining property values, a glut of unsold or unfinished homes, and struggling developers. This situation, which began in 2021, has seen giants like Evergrande default and threatens to drag down the broader Chinese economy. Despite government efforts to revive the market, including interest rate cuts and relaxed mortgage rules, the situation remains precarious. 

Am I correct in assuming this was highly regulated, but collapsed anyway?  Looks like it doesn't only happen under Capitalism.

Hook

5 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Google "building market collapse in China"
 

Am I correct in assuming this was highly regulated, but collapsed anyway?  Looks like it doesn't only happen under Capitalism.

Hook

If you've ever been to China, you'd understand that capitalism is absolutely alive and kicking there.  Do not confuse an autocratic political system for communism, because it ain't!

It's a wierd mix of free market economics within the straightjacket of one party politics.

Edited August 7, 2025Aug 7 by kevinfirth

2 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

If you've ever been to China, you'd understand that capitalism is absolutely alive and kicking there.

Thanks.  I'm going to guess that this unbridled capitalism is why the Chinese cars are so good.  🙂 

Hook

9 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Thanks.  I'm going to guess that this unbridled capitalism is why the Chinese cars are so good.  🙂 

Hook

Possibly, I don't know enough to comment authoritatively!  But the lack of regulation, and also state support for enterprise (as long as you don't challenge the authority of the state) is how they've achieved good growth figures sustainably over many years I believe.

14 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Capitalism, for example, with all its flaws, has created more wealth and pulled more people out of poverty than any other system in human history

So by your metric that would suggest that California is the best state in the union as it is the most wealthy state, has the highest GDP (by a significant margin), and has the 5th highest median income and 2nd highest growth rate, … so it seems this democratic and diverse state leveraged capitalism better than any other state.

47 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Looks like it doesn't only happen under Capitalism.

Hook

And this is good how?