https://fselite.net/content/navigraph-european-routes-to-simbrief/

For those determined to follow real world routings in Europe every day, here it is, free of charge.

Happy flying!

I thought I was already flying with real routes... oh well.

Greatzzzzz!!!!

6 hours ago, JetClipperJR said:

I thought I was already flying with real routes... oh well.

No flightplanning in europe is not as simple as simmers (or navigraph) think,

a eurocontrol route on a friday maybe not be compliant on a saturday for a number of reasons due to the RAD and CDRs

Not to mention most flightplanning systems will run plans in 4D (hence why lido is now called lido4d) meaning it will run the plans on numerous differernt routings and will choose the best one depending on the operators policy (time or cost), notams, obsticles, on the tracks, off the tracks,  etc etc. 

Also a plan run by Lido or simliar at say 1900z on a Monday night for a Tuesday morning 0600 departure, can be then changed when it reruns it when the 00:30, after UK MET weather released at 00:00 comes into the system (takes 30 mins or so) and then again at 0330 when the weather changes again.   Giving different sids/stars each time.

A good is example is lets say you take a common route like LGW-PMI,  There are no fewer than 26 complaint routes varying from 714 NM to 882nm. Based on BOGNA, SFD,NOVMA and INVUR sids, based on the winds.

Again lido4d will choose the best one and change it throughout the planning process according to what I mentioned above.  That what makes LIDO so good and so cost effective for operators with large schedules, but it still needs a good flightplanner to use it. 

Lido might run LOWI 08 arrival plan at 2000 the night before and then change it to a 26 arrival on the day.  Hence why the MADEB vs RTT onto 26 issue arises if the flightplanner doesnt know what they are doing.  (which is what used to happen at easyJet when I was there) 

finally...... from a quick look at vatsim radar the first callsign I clicked on was a LHR to JFK, Simbrief is running plans from LHR going west via Gasgu and not via CPT, and that was the first one I picked. Sure GASGU is ok, but its not what the operators would do. But thats me being finickity because Ive worked in flightplanning for a long time.

 

   

 

 

Edited October 17, 2025Oct 17 by fluffyflops

5 hours ago, JetClipperJR said:

I thought I was already flying with real routes... oh well.

If you're using Simbrief, real world routing has only been available for North America - until now.

 

Scott

2 hours ago, tttocs said:

If you're using Simbrief, real world routing has only been available for North America - until now.

I fly all over the world.

4 hours ago, JetClipperJR said:

I fly all over the world.

In Simbrief's "Suggested Routes" section, real world routes will have headers in green and say "Real World" in addition to the AIRAC validation.  This means this is a routing which has actually been issued by that country's ATC.  If it doesn't say this, it's not based on anything known to have been issued. 

If you're flying somewhere that doesn't support this feature, it doesn't mean that the route you've chosen hasn't been issued in the real world, it just means the routing is based on a Simbrief algorithm rather than real life ATC issuance.  As I mentioned, up until now this has only been available in North America.  Europe has now been added.

 

Scott

27 minutes ago, tttocs said:

If you're flying somewhere that doesn't support this feature, it doesn't mean that the route you've chosen hasn't been issued in the real world, it just means the routing is based on a Simbrief algorithm rather than real life ATC issuance.  As I mentioned, up until now this has only been available in North America.  Europe has now been added.

I believe the top routes are popular or recently used ones.

I remember for a while when the final 747-8 rolled off the line and did that special flight that wrote out 747, if you requested that Departure/Arrival, the top route on the list was that route.

But it wasn't labelled as a real route.

Edited October 17, 2025Oct 17 by Tuskin38

A "real world route" is any route that can be legally flown based on the PBN of the aircraft and any required training by the crew that is accepted by ATC.

Nothing really has changed...LOL. 

Now, if there are published routes somewhere that simnbrief can pull in, fine, but not always required.

Edited October 17, 2025Oct 17 by Jeff Nielsen

Yeah I saw that so I did an EGLL to VHHH route in the 35K. They are such a valuable commodity.

Good to see the Simbrief team not resting on their laurels. 

7 hours ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

A "real world route" is any route that can be legally flown based on the PBN of the aircraft and any required training by the crew that is accepted by ATC.

 

if only that was so in europe, but we have 42 Member and 2 Comprehensive Agreement States each with their own rules and regualtions.  Its not as simple as it is in the USA

https://www.nm.eurocontrol.int/RAD/index.html

3 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

if only that was so in europe, but we have 42 Member and 2 Comprehensive Agreement States each with their own rules and regualtions.  Its not as simple as it is in the USA

https://www.nm.eurocontrol.int/RAD/index.html

I'm aware.  I see it everyday at work.  🙂 No slot tolerances in Spain.   CTOTs left and right.  Italy hates all GA traffic.  The list goes on.

15 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

I believe the top routes are popular or recently used ones.

In North America, RW routes (ie, routings that have actually been issued by ATC) are always listed ahead of non-rw.  I assume it will be the same for Europe now that the feature has been added.

 

Scott