On 12/22/2025 at 2:51 AM, zachlog said:

Lately I have been having a problem landing all (3) Fenix variants

Just do it the way as it was discussed the other day in the official Fenix discord:

 

Edited January 20Jan 20 by MaGer1965

On 12/21/2025 at 5:51 PM, zachlog said:

Lately I have been having a problem landing all (3) Fenix variants (MSFS 2024).  My landing rate has climbed to several hundred FPM and if I have to guess at when this problem started, it would be after the release of SU4.  I had looked at quite a few videos on this topic when I first purchased the Fenix A/C, in general I continue to use the same technique...stable ROD and constant speed, flare at 30' AGL, retard the throttles after the flare, etc. but the A/C seems to lose energy very quickly and hits the runway much harder than I would like in very calm weather conditions.  I tended to blame my landing technique for the problem but now that the PMDG B738 has been released for MSFS 2024, I did a couple of flights with this aircraft and these landings can make a IRL pilot jealous.  I also don't have this problem with the B777.

Where can I focus to improve the landings with the Airbus A/C ?  Is there anything that I should be doing differently in the last phase of the landing in the Airbus vs. the Boeing aircraft ?  Any thoughts you might have on where the problem might be is appreciated.

What make and model is your yoke or side stick?

On 12/22/2025 at 2:51 AM, zachlog said:

Lately I have been having a problem landing all (3) Fenix variants (MSFS 2024).  My landing rate has climbed to several hundred FPM and if I have to guess at when this problem started, it would be after the release of SU4.  I had looked at quite a few videos on this topic when I first purchased the Fenix A/C, in general I continue to use the same technique...stable ROD and constant speed, flare at 30' AGL, retard the throttles after the flare, etc. but the A/C seems to lose energy very quickly and hits the runway much harder than I would like in very calm weather conditions.  I tended to blame my landing technique for the problem but now that the PMDG B738 has been released for MSFS 2024, I did a couple of flights with this aircraft and these landings can make a IRL pilot jealous.  I also don't have this problem with the B777.

Where can I focus to improve the landings with the Airbus A/C ?  Is there anything that I should be doing differently in the last phase of the landing in the Airbus vs. the Boeing aircraft ?  Any thoughts you might have on where the problem might be is appreciated.

What is "several hundred"? Anything up to 300 FPM is perfectly fine.

I had those issues you describe with the Fenix before their final flare rework. Since then it's much better. I still have to keep some thrust in until touchdown on flaps 3 landings, otherwise no chance of a butter landing.

That said I totally agree that the 737 is very very easy to land in the sim. It's like you have total control, while with the Fenix you can't make "mistakes" (as in: flare too much, flare too late, cut the thrust too early/fast) since you cannot correct them anymore.

Lot of good points already given!

I go to idle at 30 feet, but from that point onwards instead of trying to just execute a standard manouvre, it is important to fly the plane based on how heavy the plane is, what kind of descent rate one has at that point and how gusty or windy the weather is. These all affect what kind of pull is needed.

Also, for safe operation it is more critical to get the plane consistently and firmly down between the 1000-1500ft markings than try to buttersmooth it beyond that. In wet weather even more so as too light a touchdown risks aquaplaning.

5 hours ago, vonduck said:

Also, this video was really helpful for me...

 

 

6 hours ago, JetClipperJR said:

 

Thanks a lot, very helpful in identifying the key points in landing on which I need to focus including stick movement. 

TCA Captain Pack Airbus Edition.

49 minutes ago, zachlog said:

TCA Captain Pack Airbus Edition.

That's nice equipment. The side stick uses Hall effect sensors. Atleast we can now rule out potentiometer noise. 

Some further tips, assuming ILS approach:

1. FSIPanel is useful (invaluable!) for landing practice: it can set you up on short finals in a few seconds so you make good use of time. Best settings: 2nm out, 1000ft. It exacts high / unforgiving standards of precision, which of course is great for training. 

2. Disconnect autopilot at 500ft. Retain auto throttle.

3. Look mainly at instruments down to c100ft. Thereafter mainly / wholly visual.

4. Aiming point = adjacent to PAPI. 

5. The aeroplane will be stable after disconnecting autopilot, under most conditions. Expect to make small corrections, not large changes.

6. Initiate flare at 30-40’. Very gentle back pressure on the side stick: probably less than seems plausible!

7. Throttles smoothly and swiftly to idle at 15-25’.

8. if you do all of that and crossed the runway threshold at 50’ then it’s probably safe to “take what you get” rather than chasing a “butter” landing.

Edited January 20Jan 20 by tfm

Do you have any landing video by chance?

3 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

Do you have any landing video by chance?

I do not but after I do some work with the suggestions and information provided above, if I am still having the same problem, I will post a video with one of my problem landings.  What do you use to create a video clip for a flight ?  I have never done one.

13 minutes ago, zachlog said:

I do not but after I do some work with the suggestions and information provided above, if I am still having the same problem, I will post a video with one of my problem landings.  What do you use to create a video clip for a flight ?  I have never done one.

Hi there. I use the screen recording software that comes with my NVIDIA video card. I use Alt + F9 to screen record. Alternatively you can use the built in MSFS video recorder and then screen record that.

I load the file into Pinnacle video software to edit the file and clean it up.

Davinci Resolve makes studio editing software and has a free version for personal use. I then upload the file to Youtube which offers free storage and hosting.

I make videos to study my flying to try to improve. I really enjoy watching the flight sim videos of others. Always something to learn.

Edited January 21Jan 21 by alanw2005

Buy FSLabs. Their A321 lands almost as well as a 737. I really regret that they don't have a 320 and that I bought a Fenix, which I abandoned immediately after buying the FSLabs A321.

57 minutes ago, romaf12008 said:

Buy FSLabs. Their A321 lands almost as well as a 737. I really regret that they don't have a 320 and that I bought a Fenix, which I abandoned immediately after buying the FSLabs A321.

I call this a poor attempt at trolling.

1 hour ago, romaf12008 said:

Buy FSLabs. Their A321 lands almost as well as a 737. I really regret that they don't have a 320 and that I bought a Fenix, which I abandoned immediately after buying the FSLabs A321.

Is that suppose to improve your stick and rudder skills? I don’t think FSLabs advertised this lol

On 1/20/2026 at 8:05 AM, Fiorentoni said:

That said I totally agree that the 737 is very very easy to land in the sim. It's like you have total control, while with the Fenix you can't make "mistakes" (as in: flare too much, flare too late, cut the thrust too early/fast) since you cannot correct them anymore.

An Airbus is way easier to land than a 737. An Airbus has auto trim and the flight systems hold your trajectory with your hand off the stick.