I think youtubes are always worth watching when they give details that might contribute to a fair comparison between platforms.

As @UrgentSiesta and others pointed out above, the youtuber is a seasoned DCS user, and makes a technical comparison of some details in the flight dynamics that make this model "unique" for him.

For me the most important aspect is that this somehow validates the capabilities of MSFS 2024 flight dynamics model to give good results when it's parameters and tunning variables are sorrectly used by tallented developers.

Even in DCS one can have a really bad aircraft, just as in X-Plane, MSFS, P3D, ... The good ones that don't even use an "external FM" are those that I like the most because they show the potential behind the FDM.

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

For me the most important aspect is that this somehow validates the capabilities of MSFS 2024 flight dynamics model to give good results when it's parameters and tunning variables are sorrectly used by tallented developers.

That was indeed my question; is Taogs OH-6 elusively using the default flight dynamics of MSFS2024?

58 minutes ago, bvdboomen said:

That was indeed my question; is Taogs OH-6 elusively using the default flight dynamics of MSFS2024?

They say they use "authentic flight dynamics...", but nothing points to some sirt of external FM(?)

12 hours ago, mikegrr said:

He says the general helis in 2024 don't feel right, but he doesn't specify how or what is wrong. He keeps repeating it's wrong but doesn't  enumerate the differences. What should it feel like? Why is the OH6 better...he says it feels better. I don't  know, but what does that mean?

Typical YouTuber, what do you expect?

These folks on YouTube want us to believe they are gospel when it comes to anything!

I simply will not click on any of this garbage as it relates to MSFS.

There is far better information here by many, many real users.

3 hours ago, tpete61 said:

Typical YouTuber, what do you expect?

These folks on YouTube want us to believe they are gospel when it comes to anything!

I simply will not click on any of this garbage as it relates to MSFS.

There is far better information here by many, many real users.

Ostrich-head-in-the-sand syndrome, I see.

So sad that you miss out on so much!

5 hours ago, bvdboomen said:

That was indeed my question; is Taogs OH-6 elusively using the default flight dynamics of MSFS2024?

They've never spoken of anything external like, e.g., FlyInside or AirLand.

And we know that Asobo have put a LOT of time into rotary wing physics (it took them over 2 years just to get started with it in v2020!!).

The Guimbal Cabri is Asobo's reference model for helo physics, and I've found it instructive when evaluating various addons in the sim. Always a good touchstone, IMHO.

I'm just beginning with helicopters. All I know is my current fixed-wing control assignments in MSFS will not work and I'll need specific ones for helos. What axes and buttons should I set up instead?

40 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I'm just beginning with helicopters. All I know is my current fixed-wing control assignments in MSFS will not work and I'll need specific ones for helos. What axes and buttons should I set up instead?

There's a lot of great Youtube videos out there.  

 

1 hour ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I'm just beginning with helicopters. All I know is my current fixed-wing control assignments in MSFS will not work and I'll need specific ones for helos. What axes and buttons should I set up instead?

There are helicopter specific bindings for cyclic (yoke/stick) and collective (throttle). I can’t remember if anti-torque and rudder are separate as well. Just filter for helicopter and they should come up. 

also, most of the addon guides will tell you which to bind. 

p.s., while it’s true that helo engines have throttles, they are generally operating at a set power and are only working to keep the blades spinning at a certain rpm. I.e., they don’t control aircraft speed as with fixed wing. Generally it’s set it, forget it for the entirety of the flight before you even lift into hover check. So generally not worth binding. 

8 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I'm just beginning with helicopters. All I know is my current fixed-wing control assignments in MSFS will not work and I'll need specific ones for helos. What axes and buttons should I set up instead?

Hey Luis ! Welcome to the rotaries 🙂

Yes, specific and as usual with those clumsy naming conventions invented by ASOBO, not the most intuitive when trying to find them, but yes, you should go for those unless you're using the FlyInside models which, as far as I recall use the default axis for pitch, roll and yaw.

If we own the proper hardware, with extended stick, force feedback and the like, costing many $$$, the linear settings for the tuning of these control axis are the most adequate, but guys like me with a 9 yr T16000 showing it's age,  HOTAS unit of a broken x52Pro with more than 12 yrs and the Saitek Combat Pro rudder (not bad!), have to set curves for better control...

 

Taog's stuff is excellent and the Hughes 500 / OH-6 Cayuse are the current high water mark. Love the Loach.

However an honorable mention should be given for the CowanSim S-76C.  If you like your helis big, fast and with a functioning autopilot (including the ability to fly coupled ILS approaches) this one is a great second purchase.  Doesn't hurt that it's purty, and a good cross-country machine (I mean, for a heli).

I just purchased SC-76C++ (on sale now). What I like the most about it is the learning curve even if you are familiar with Miltech MH-60, which is a good thing. 

11 hours ago, Stoopy said:

an honorable mention should be given for the CowanSim S-76C.  If you like your helis big, fast and with a functioning autopilot (including the ability to fly coupled ILS approaches) this one is a great second purchase.  Doesn't hurt that it's purty, and a good cross-country machine (I mean, for a heli).

 

10 hours ago, History said:

I just purchased SC-76C++ (on sale now). What I like the most about it is the learning curve even if you are familiar with Miltech MH-60, which is a good thing. 

Another vote in favor of the S-76, at least for Corp/Comm flying. 

it has a few modeling geometry deficiencies (the nose and front wheel), but Cowan has greatly improved all the systems and such since release. At the current sale price, it’s definitely a Buy.

the thing I like about this class of helos is that you can cruise along faster than many GA pistons, yet still have the ability to land just about anywhere. AND you can perform running takeoffs and landings, which are generally safer than skid helos. 

the Default AS225 Super Puma got a fair few things fixed in SU4 (which were desperately needed since release!). But TBH I just don’t like the avionics, and  Trim Interrupt is a non-intuitive way to fly, tho entirely realistic. 

Finally, the gorgeous MH-60 is one I just can’t keep flying as it demonstrates some VERY non-helo flight behaviors, even with the Trims and SAS off. Maybe they’ll fix that up some day…

the Cowan S-76 offers a great balance of conventional instrumentation and a good flight model. 

But yeah, for anyone who wants an authentic helo simulation in MSFS, the Taogs OH-6 is the one to get. 😎