6 hours ago, martin-w said:

Star Trek scenario. I would think there would have to be UBI.

Actually, in the Star Trek Earth, society has progressed past the need for money and acquisition of material things, so no UBI would be necessary.

It sounds more like a communist-type society where everyone has the necessities provided but most people do work in some capacity.

I think the writers/creators were likely left-leaning and believed that this type of utopia is possible.  

Maybe after the horrors of World War 3 people came together and were finally successful in transforming society and governance to make this utopia a reality.

Dave

21 hours ago, RJ_FO said:

Elon was basically saying that in a perfect world, nobody would have to work and that there would be some sort of unversal income, I just dont see this happening.

This is a nightmare scenario, if true. Civilization will fall, possibly humanity becoming extinct.

No work equals no challenge equals no reason for living because life is boring. Carried to the extreme, robots could insure that in every game of billiards all 15 balls drop with every cue shot the human takes. Every date proposal receives a yes answer from the young lady. No challenge, no sense of accomplishment. No reason to live. Horrific boredom. Mass suicide is soon the end of that world. 

Imagine some sort of God who created life on Earth with no evil, no obstacles, no reason to struggle to make life better for you and your children. No challenge. Might as well say no life worth living. Such a God would actually be a Devil and worship of Him would have to be forced because everyone would despise Him. 

5 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Actually, in the Star Trek Earth, society has progressed past the need for money and acquisition of material things, so no UBI would be necessary.

 

 Oh yes, thats right. But of course the Picard family were lucky enough to own a lovely French Chateau and vineyard. 😁

38 minutes ago, martin-w said:

But of course the Picard family were lucky enough to own a lovely French Chateau and vineyard.

Oh, I'm sure that after all that work and cost to produce the wine he obviously gave it all away for free. 😉

13 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Oh, I'm sure that after all that work and cost to produce the wine he obviously gave it all away for free. 😉

 

That's correct, Dave. It's well known in Star Trek lore that the Picard family would set up a stall outside Starfleet Command and give away free punnets of grapes and bottles of Picard wine. 

23 hours ago, Mike A said:

 

Speaking of Star Trek, Q makes an appearance at 2:05. 

And the forum is double posting this morning. 😲

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Double post

41 minutes ago, stans said:

Speaking of Star Trek, Q makes an appearance at 2:05. 

Nice catch 😉

1 hour ago, stans said:

Speaking of Star Trek, Q makes an appearance at 2:05. 

He's also in several episodes of Stargate SG-1.

Dave

21 hours ago, Fielder said:

This is a nightmare scenario, if true. Civilization will fall, possibly humanity becoming extinct.

No work equals no challenge equals no reason for living because life is boring.

I heard tell of a scientific experiment where they gave mice everything they needed to live happy with abunce in food, comfort and no threats of harm.  They ran the experiment serval times all with the same outcome.  While they thrived at first, they would end up turning on each other and take on all kinds of rolls that were anti-social behaviors thus they stopped mating and died off. Every time was the same result and all with a year or two. The lack of risk and reward removed along with all other challenges just gave little to live for.

Often times when you hear about those who seem to "have it all" struggling with depression, it hard to understand but it makes sense. 

I once bought Fortune Magazine off the news stand for a feature story on the world's wealthiest families. What seemed interesting to me was the number of drugged out and/or suicidal children in most of those families. Born wealthy.

There are lots of news articles on how fast people who win a huge lottery burn through the money. They didn't have to work for it, soon squander it, and wind up more miserable then ever about their life.

Karl versus Douglas. Fight!

23 hours ago, Ident said:

Often times when you hear about those who seem to "have it all" struggling with depression, it hard to understand but it makes sense.

 

Their depression probably isn't related to "having it all". Depression impacts many in society, regardless of wealth or status. Stress, brain chemistry, genetics, negative personality traits, have all been implicated. 

21 hours ago, Fielder said:

I once bought Fortune Magazine off the news stand for a feature story on the world's wealthiest families. What seemed interesting to me was the number of drugged out and/or suicidal children in most of those families. Born wealthy.

There are lots of news articles on how fast people who win a huge lottery burn through the money. They didn't have to work for it, soon squander it, and wind up more miserable then ever about their life.

 

According to the research being wealthy is not inheritently more associated with drug addiction than being poor.

In regard to lottery wins, there are plenty that manage their newfound wealth well, its just that you hear about those that blow the money in a few weeks because it makes a good story for the media.