40 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

This would be a simple If Then Else If code.  It shouldn't be offering a visual approach in ifr conditions

That's something that happened to me more than once with this program. It's basically why I stopped flying in the U.S. with it. There it will give out visual approaches like candy whether conditions allow it or not. I mean if the cloud cover sits at 2000ft, yes you can give me a visual approach, but don't ask me 15 miles out and correctly on profile if I have the runway in sight. Of course I don't!

Edited April 15Apr 15 by Farlis

2 hours ago, Farlis said:

That's something that happened to me more than once with this program. It's basically why I stopped flying in the U.S. with it. There it will give out visual approaches like candy whether conditions allow it or not. I mean if the cloud cover sits at 2000ft, yes you can give me a visual approach, but don't ask me 15 miles out and correctly on profile if I have the runway in sight. Of course I don't!

Do you think it works better abroad?  I don't fly much outside cause I don't know much about eurocontrol.  Or anyone where else for that matter.

My post seems to have been vanished.  

4 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Aaand just as I had that decent flight last night I'm doing a similar one in a slower plane I can't talk about.

It's trying to give me a visual approach to the shortest runway in IFR conditions...  So close yet so far!

This would be a simple If Then Else If code.  It shouldn't be offering a visual approach in ifr conditions (unless no IAP is published)!

And it doesn't offer visual approaches in IFR. So either it's not IFR conditions or the IFR conditions have changed after you started your descent (at which point you can always ASK for another approach type!) or you use historical weather in BATC but live weather in MSFS or your navdata is broken and the scenery does not have any other approaches. So what now? Get on the Discord and let someone have a look at the log. In no time we'll know what's happening.

6 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

And it doesn't offer visual approaches in IFR. So either it's not IFR conditions or the IFR conditions have changed after you started your descent (at which point you can always ASK for another approach type!) or you use historical weather in BATC but live weather in MSFS or your navdata is broken and the scenery does not have any other approaches. So what now? Get on the Discord and let someone have a look at the log. In no time we'll know what's happening.

Navigraph and default ATC show IAPs there.  I don't know why it wouldn't be IFR there since the sim was using ASFS live mode, and navigraph showed about the same weather in metar.

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

Do you think it works better abroad?  I don't fly much outside cause I don't know much about eurocontrol.  Or anyone where else for that matter.

Well since visual approaches are basically out of the question over here whereas they seem to be the default in the U.S. if weather permits, you simply won't run into that specific problem. And that part BATC gets very well, which I always appreciated about it from the start. Different procedures depending on where you fly are definately observed. The coolest thing would be if it would also use the metric system when flying in Russia or China.

Edited April 15Apr 15 by Farlis

23 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Navigraph and default ATC show IAPs there.  I don't know why it wouldn't be IFR there since the sim was using ASFS live mode, and navigraph showed about the same weather in metar.

What's the setting "enable historical weather" set to in the BATC settings?

28 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

What's the setting "enable historical weather" set to in the BATC settings?

it's enabled.  should it be off?

BATC pretty much follow simbrief in my experience. In one case it changed my approach in the end, but it was due to good wind change which simbrief failed to capture. I must say flying BATC is so much better then without even with all shortomings.

I fully agree with sd_flyer and if I may, offer a few thoughts of my own.

With an entry cost of entry only $29.95 US. It’s called the “base package”, and it is a one time cost. The $59.95 US version is called the “supporter package”.  It too is one time purchase and the extra $30.00 gets you a seat at the table with the development teams.  Alpha discussions and beta product.  But all of it is focused on building an evolving and changing product for end user of ATC simulation.  The name of that evolving and changing product is…wait…you guessed it, Base Package”

So it’s clear to see that no more than $30.00 is needed for hours of dynamic and engaging entertainment. Sure sometimes the controllers get dorky but mostly they stay on script, and I have found I can safely ignore the dorks with little risk or penalty, which is fine by me. As Pilot in Command I have ultimate responsibility and authority.  For me the greater value is the constant back and forth chatter of controller and virtual pilots, the UI which I find brilliant for its use and purpose and lastly the handoffs to and from controllers in various facilities and functions.  A five hour cross CONUS flight never gets boring, I assure you.  TMMV. TANSTAAFL. Blue skies,

-B
 

Edited April 16Apr 16 by btacon

Just flew KSNA to KSAN VFR

Great flight. Lots of GA planes taking off at KSNA

Both landing and taking of at KSAN

Lots of work still for VFR ATC but it was still fun.

Had me do a left hand entry into KSAN. Should have been a right hand entry. No way you go in from the left.

In fact, I have yet to have ATC give me a right hand entry VFR into any airport. Hopefully something they are working on.

1 hour ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Just flew KSNA to KSAN VFR

Great flight. Lots of GA planes taking off at KSNA

Both landing and taking of at KSAN

Lots of work still for VFR ATC but it was still fun.

Had me do a left hand entry into KSAN. Should have been a right hand entry. No way you go in from the left.

In fact, I have yet to have ATC give me a right hand entry VFR into any airport. Hopefully something they are working on.

Runway 27 standard is right traffic, so is my home airport CRQ. I'm local and flew to KSAN always right traffic. I mean you fly in US right. Do your remember little green book?

 

https://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAN

I believe the reason for right traffic is due to North Island and Coast Guard station on left downwind

12 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

it's enabled.  should it be off?

If you are using live weather in the sim but a non-live sim time, yes, it should be off. Otherwise BATC will use the weather of the time of the sim (= historical weather data).
The option is there because some people (like me) want to use historical weather when flying in the past, but others want live weather and still fly in the past (e.g. because they don‘t like to fly in the dark).

That wouldn‘t be necessary if there was a way to simply read the weather / metar directly from the sim, but Asobo has not allowed that, so any tool has to get their own weather data from the internet (e.g. aviationweather.gov), be it live or historical weather data.

7 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Runway 27 standard is right traffic, so is my home airport CRQ. I'm local and flew to KSAN always right traffic. I mean you fly in US right. Do your remember 

What I mean is BATC got it wrong. I know it's right hand traffic. I thought that was clear.

11 hours ago, btacon said:

I fully agree with sd_flyer and if I may, offer a few thoughts of my own.

With an entry cost of entry only $29.95 US. It’s called the “base package”, and it is a one time cost. The $59.95 US version is called the “supporter package”.  It too is one time purchase and the extra $30.00 gets you a seat at the table with the development teams.  Alpha discussions and beta product.  But all of it is focused on building an evolving and changing product for end user of ATC simulation.  The name of that evolving and changing product is…wait…you guessed it, Base Package”

So it’s clear to see that no more than $30.00 is needed for hours of dynamic and engaging entertainment. Sure sometimes the controllers get dorky but mostly they stay on script.

👏👏👏👏👏

Couldn't have said it better myself. BATC is not perfect. I personally don't think an ATC addon for a flight sim will ever be perfect.  But for the ridiculously low cost of entry (compared to the $240 per year I was paying for Say Intentions - which for me was categorically more buggy) it is a fantastic, immersive program.  If expectations are set correctly, and you can sometimrd say to its ATC "Err, no, I'm not doing that" and occassionally help it along, it's even more enjoyable.  It's probably the best immersion I've had for $30 in the sim.

Edited April 17Apr 17 by JYW