1 hour ago, Stoopy said:

Not seeing any mention of the rotor coning here yet but I believe it merits discussion, or at least some appreciation.

This has got to be some of THE finest conulation I've encountered yet (and that's after many hours in the DCH Hind, even). I mean, seriously, how cany anyone not spend at least half their flight in external view admiring the conage. Rich, abundant glorious coniferous conation for days on end. I don't mean to be rude or crude here but it, it.... it's pure unadulterated rotor pron.

Ha ha - I have been sneaking plenty of looks!

I’ve heard this is the first addon where the disk actually tilts, too?

I used to goggle at that in the Hind & Hip, and tbh hadn’t looked at the helos in MSFS?

1 hour ago, Stoopy said:

Not seeing any mention of the rotor coning here yet but I believe it merits discussion, or at least some appreciation.

This has got to be some of THE finest conulation I've encountered yet (and that's after many hours in the DCH Hind, even). I mean, seriously, how cany anyone not spend at least half their flight in external view admiring the conage. Rich, abundant glorious coniferous conation for days on end. I don't mean to be rude or crude here but it, it.... it's pure unadulterated rotor pron.

Ha ha - I have been sneaking plenty of looks!

I’ve heard this is the first addon where the disk actually tilts, too?

I used to goggle at that in the Hind & Hip, and tbh hadn’t looked at the helos in MSFS?

I tried the PMS 750 gtn ( freeware) and it follows the nav. I'll have to use this until they fix my beloved TDS......

OK late to the party - haven't bought in yet because I have questions I haven't seen any of the streams answer yet

So far, all the videos and most people here are using Spring Centered sticks, Force Trim release all that - what about non-centering sticks? I have the Gladiator EVO and no springs installed, which means I'm not trimming often in traditional Helicopters, attitude stays where I put the stick. Anyone in the same boat? Manual states support for that, but has anyone tried it? I assume fly-through, force trim release, and maybe beep trim are all handled differently

My biggest relief was seeing the Career mode cost for this was only around 4mil credits, very doable. Should be able to add one to my fleet but there are so many variants, you'd want to make sure you get the right one. That seems like the Dolphin, not the Dauphin, as it has the more advanced 4-way assist for hover control during cargo and hoist missions. The Dauphin seems like it might be better for Passenger/Charter work.

But I haven't seen anyone with the tutorial video for the hover modes yet; posted above is the link to Matt Crawford's autopilot tutorial but that's mainly for the Dauphin and for VOR/ILS, briefly touching on the GPS nav. I want to see a more complete walkthrough or even someone completing a hoist mission using the T-HOV and Hov-AUG modes. From the livestream with Matt on Tuesday, it looks like beep trim only adjusts your position in T-HOV and is disabled in HOV-AUG, which took a bit to figure out. Seeing the 3ft steps for altitude is interesting, but you need to count out ten steps for a 30ft change, it made me appreciate the 20ft steps on the MI-60 a bit more.

No buy from me until I can see more hoist action. Its not like its on sale or anything, so no rush.

3 hours ago, Kristofski said:

So far, all the videos and most people here are using Spring Centered sticks, Force Trim release all that - what about non-centering sticks? I have the Gladiator EVO and no springs installed, which means I'm not trimming often in traditional Helicopters, attitude stays where I put the stick. Anyone in the same boat? Manual states support for that, but has anyone tried it? I assume fly-through, force trim release, and maybe beep trim are all handled differently

I would ask in Taog's Discord, several users have the Puma X controls and, as far as I know, that controls are NO spring centered.

For non-spring centered sticks, the manual says that Fly-Through should be disabled (which makes sense as it would always be triggering when the stick isn't in the centre), but not force trim release, so it seems like I'd still need to be using that when flying manually. One of the reasons I opted not to install the springs is that I'm not flying jets or space ships at the moment, mainly helicopters (I have a yoke for planes) and wanted the stick to mirror an IRL cyclic which is not spring centered. So really haven't had much use for Force Trim Release on any of the base 2024 helicopters and have gotten used to flying without it. Its much better than the springs on the old T-flight HOTAS lol.

7 hours ago, petejohno1 said:

I tried the PMS 750 gtn ( freeware) and it follows the nav. I'll have to use this until they fix my beloved TDS......

In my discord bug report the team said they are on it! This is good news! Great product support.

4 hours ago, Kristofski said:

So far, all the videos and most people here are using Spring Centered sticks, Force Trim release all that - what about non-centering sticks?

I too am using a Gladiator NXT with springs removed and just the friction tightened. I'm using it with the 'Fly-Through Off' checked, and it seems to work just fine. I haven't tried to fly without using TR, but with TR it's great. I've only had time for one flight so far and was noticing some odd drift or abrupt movement once in a while, but I think that may have been down to my friction not high enough to completely hold the stick in place each time I released TR.

47 minutes ago, GregP said:

I too am using a Gladiator NXT with springs removed and just the friction tightened. I'm using it with the 'Fly-Through Off' checked, and it seems to work just fine. I haven't tried to fly without using TR, but with TR it's great. I've only had time for one flight so far and was noticing some odd drift or abrupt movement once in a while, but I think that may have been down to my friction not high enough to completely hold the stick in place each time I released TR.

I'm using the MS Sidewinder 2 FFB without the forces, so effectively a non spring stick as well. I guess I should disable FT as well. I will be flying this much more often when TDS is fixed... as its way easier to manipulate a touch screen while flying helis, especially in VR. I can't wait to do some VR flying in this... even if my system sucks in SU5 lol

9 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

MS Sidewinder 2 FFB

I had to run to google this as I was struck with PTSD - I though this was the OG Sidewinder from Waaay back in the day, I hadn't realized they made an FFB version. Played the original Mechwarrior and Decent with that bad boy once upon a time.

1 hour ago, GregP said:

I too am using a Gladiator NXT with springs removed and just the friction tightened. I'm using it with the 'Fly-Through Off' checked, and it seems to work just fine. I haven't tried to fly without using TR, but with TR it's great. I've only had time for one flight so far and was noticing some odd drift or abrupt movement once in a while, but I think that may have been down to my friction not high enough to completely hold the stick in place each time I released TR.

I use the same stick configued the same as you for helicopters only and it works fine. I also found binding TR to a toggle helps as well, especially for landing.

51 minutes ago, Kristofski said:

I had to run to google this as I was struck with PTSD - I though this was the OG Sidewinder from Waaay back in the day, I hadn't realized they made an FFB version. Played the original Mechwarrior and Decent with that bad boy once upon a time.

Haha I think had that as well. The version 2 has a nice rubber grip and force feedback... which I havent used in eons. I actually am buying a new cable - I thought it was propriatery but I guess its not - so maybe the forces still work not sure.

My stick is over 23 years old! I really need a new one. I went to the FSExpo and found a LOT of amazing hardware. But I'm torn between a yoke and throttle (cause I mostly fly GA fixed wing) vs a stick like a military style one. I also need a throttle. I actually need throttles first cause my (also ancient) CH Pro throttle (USB lol) is terrible... I was thinking Winctrl hotas setup. thats how ive been simming. stick in right hand, single lever throttle in left, and rudder pedals

my space is really limited though. I ideally I'd have yoke/throttle quad AND stick/HOTAS setup

But not going to happen

2 hours ago, Kristofski said:

For non-spring centered sticks, the manual says that Fly-Through should be disabled (which makes sense as it would always be triggering when the stick isn't in the centre), but not force trim release, so it seems like I'd still need to be using that when flying manually. One of the reasons I opted not to install the springs is that I'm not flying jets or space ships at the moment, mainly helicopters (I have a yoke for planes) and wanted the stick to mirror an IRL cyclic which is not spring centered. So really haven't had much use for Force Trim Release on any of the base 2024 helicopters and have gotten used to flying without it. Its much better than the springs on the old T-flight HOTAS lol.

57 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I'm using the MS Sidewinder 2 FFB without the forces, so effectively a non spring stick as well. I guess I should disable FT as well. I will be flying this much more often when TDS is fixed... as its way easier to manipulate a touch screen while flying helis, especially in VR. I can't wait to do some VR flying in this... even if my system sucks in SU5 lol

The IRL aircraft are literally designed to fly with FT engaged most of the time, and FTR only when doing take-offs, ad hoc maneuvers, and non-coupled / non-precision approaches

In fact, if not in ASE mode in the 365, you can’t even use the autopilot functions. And I haven’t tried, but I’d imagine flying in ASE with FTR is the same.

In all honesty, the aircraft flies quite nicely in ASE w/FT, and Fly Through allows sedate maneuvering when touring. The aircraft still wanders quite a bit in attitude (as it should since it’s just trimmed).

In any case, using the various ASE modes with FT engaged is the way the aircraft are designed. Flying in pure SAS or ASE w/FTR would be like flying an airliner by hand: kinda pointless.

7 hours ago, Kristofski said:

OK late to the party - haven't bought in yet because I have questions I haven't seen any of the streams answer yet

So far, all the videos and most people here are using Spring Centered sticks, Force Trim release all that - what about non-centering sticks? I have the Gladiator EVO and no springs installed, which means I'm not trimming often in traditional Helicopters, attitude stays where I put the stick. Anyone in the same boat? Manual states support for that, but has anyone tried it? I assume fly-through, force trim release, and maybe beep trim are all handled differently

My biggest relief was seeing the Career mode cost for this was only around 4mil credits, very doable. Should be able to add one to my fleet but there are so many variants, you'd want to make sure you get the right one. That seems like the Dolphin, not the Dauphin, as it has the more advanced 4-way assist for hover control during cargo and hoist missions. The Dauphin seems like it might be better for Passenger/Charter work.

But I haven't seen anyone with the tutorial video for the hover modes yet; posted above is the link to Matt Crawford's autopilot tutorial but that's mainly for the Dauphin and for VOR/ILS, briefly touching on the GPS nav. I want to see a more complete walkthrough or even someone completing a hoist mission using the T-HOV and Hov-AUG modes. From the livestream with Matt on Tuesday, it looks like beep trim only adjusts your position in T-HOV and is disabled in HOV-AUG, which took a bit to figure out. Seeing the 3ft steps for altitude is interesting, but you need to count out ten steps for a 30ft change, it made me appreciate the 20ft steps on the MI-60 a bit more.

No buy from me until I can see more hoist action. Its not like its on sale or anything, so no rush.

These are good questions.

Shadow Six (the IRL 365 pilot who did two multi-hour fly through vids) said there was supposed to have been h-65 fly through vids literally just after his 365 vids. I haven’t seen anything of the sort other than Belatu’s (which quickly turned into disasters so I shut them off). And while Belatu’s an IRL Robinson piston pilot, I’m really hoping for a type rated pilot to show us the ropes on the h-65. Orr at least someone familiar with the new/advanced Dauphins if not the H-65.

You should paste all of that straight into Taogs discord and get your q’s answered in no time. The devs & social teams are quite active and responsive. 👍

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by UrgentSiesta