I thought this thread was going to be about a baby cat :/

Well, after learning who these two hacks are and who they work for, I'm definitely not worried about El Nino.

Dave

According to the U.S. Weather Service, (NOAH) this el nino is equal to the 1997 Nov Dec thru 1998 March. And that was the strongest rain storm on record.

I live in California. The map shows that Southern California, especially San Diego is going to get the brunt of the storm early in the Winter. But late December thru March the rain will cover most of California.

Summary: San Diego: very bad. Los Angeles: bad. San Francisco: some flooding in the big Central Valley, but not as severe as further South in L.A. and San Diego.

A larger look at the maps:

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/multi_season/13_seasonal_outlooks/color/p.gif

Edited September 25Sep 25 by Fielder

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

Well, after learning who these two hacks are and who they work for, I'm definitely not worried about El Nino.

Dave

Im not with you. Which two? The regular New Scientist magazine two, or the other two New Scientist contributers? Acording to Google neither of the later have been targeted by the anti climate science crowd. Both are award winning.

Either way, like them or not, this is certainly going to be the most intense El Nino we have record of.

Not too much of an issue in my neck of the woods, apart from warm and wet and risk of flooding, looks like, but certainly will have a significant impact elsewhere.

Edited September 25Sep 25 by martin-w

6 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Well, after learning who these two hacks are and who they work for, I'm definitely not worried about El Nino

Of course you're not Dave. You probably haven't listened to the other climatologists out there who agree with them.

We are preparing for the remnants of Hurricane Polo when it turns inland and affects northern Mexico and southern New Mexico in a few days. Then there's hurricane Odalys which could turn east and hit Southern California. Tropical storm Nolo is already affecting Hawaii. And tropical storm Surigae will probably become a hurricane by the time it hits Japan. That's 4 hurricanes/tropical storms in the Pacific at the same time.

In the Atlantic there are two tropical storms headed west and one of them could hit the Caribbean before turning North.

Something is responsible for having so many hurricanes/tropical storms that could turn into hurricanes in the Pacific at the same time. El Nino is the natural cause. Any change in sea temperature can cause unusual weather phenomena and patterns.

But what do I know? I'm probably a hack also.

As an aside, I base my data on a weather program called WindyT. It's free and gives you all the weather data you could ask for including weather radar for your location so you can track storms in almost real time.

Noel

5 hours ago, martin-w said:

Either way, like them or not, this is certainly going to be the most intense El Nino we have record of.

Sea turtles lay eggs on California beaches for the first time

5 hours ago, martin-w said:

Im not with you. Which two? The regular New Scientist magazine two, or the other two New Scientist contributers? Acording to Google neither of the later have been targeted by the anti climate science crowd. Both are award winning.

Either way, like them or not, this is certainly going to be the most intense El Nino we have record of.

Not too much of an issue in my neck of the woods, apart from warm and wet and risk of flooding, looks like, but certainly will have a significant impact elsewhere.

I'm with you on this. I don't care who is reporting. The data is the data and doesn't care about your political affiliation or if you're a billionaire (or billionaire supporter) or not. We should be trying to see ways we can save people who may be impacted by this weather event. If the deniers are right? Great at least we were prepared for the worst. If the scientist are right, then we may have chance to save people.

After all the “world ending” climate change predictions over the last 45 years (aka as long as I’ve been paying attention), it’s all turned out to be nothing more than a gaggle of Chicken Littles.

Ice Age, Heat Age, coastal inundation, Snowfalls Are A Thing of the Past, More and More Severe Hurricanes, and “Act Now Or We’re All Going To Die In 5 (or 10) Years!!!”

The Earth changes. Not only over long periods of time, but also short ones.

This is a short one, and it happens regularly enough that we've even got a name for it.

Edited September 25Sep 25 by UrgentSiesta

Riding above the giant wave of the approaching el nino, behold Greta.

13 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

We’re All Going To Die In 5 (or 10) Years!!!”

Literally never been said.

Climate models have been remarkably accurate, even the first attempts were in the ball park. We can even go right back to Arrhenius in the 18th century who calculated pretty much what we see today as a result of our emmisions.

Worth mentioning that the video I posted is about EL Nino not climate change, the two are different. The only mention of climate change in the video is to point out that this El Nino is on top of an already warming world.

The world is warming, we know that, no matter why we believe it's happening, so no need to even mention global warming induced climate change. So let's stick to the natural event that is El Nino, that this time will be extreme.

5 hours ago, martin-w said:

Literally never been said.

The sentiment is often expressed, especially as a justification for taxation and societal controls.

The Earth is coming out of an Ice Age. And it’s been a HECKUVA lot warmer in millennia past than it is now. I.e., it’s going to keep getting warmer no matter what we do

This was posted on Youtube 9 years ago.

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

And it’s been a HECKUVA lot warmer in millennia past than it is now. I.e., it’s going to keep getting warmer no matter what we do

But in the millennia past we didn't a developed civilization with 8.5 billion people inhabiting it. We didn't have cities like New York, Rio de Janerio, Capetown, London, Moscow and Shanghai just to name a few. We can't do anything about controlling natural events but we can try to mitigate the effects.

Noel

1 hour ago, birdguy said:

But in the millennia past we didn't a developed civilization with 8.5 billion people inhabiting it. We didn't have cities like New York, Rio de Janerio, Capetown, London, Moscow and Shanghai just to name a few. We can't do anything about controlling natural events but we can try to mitigate the effects.

Noel

And what are the mitigations other than de-industrialization…?

And do we think India, Pakistan, China, Russia, North Korea, et al are going to all of the sudden get on board with it…?

And how are we going to differentiate between natural warming and man made effects?

It’s a noble ideal, and I’m not in any way saying that Homo sapiens has no effect, but the Green position seems rather binary.

As soon as I see environmentalists campaigning for clean, green nuclear power, I’ll start to believe they’ve thought things through.