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Actually that's what I meant by uninstalling, and in fact what I do. Thanks, a better way of saying it.

Carenados Seneca II will not work with Gizmo plugin installed. If you have a plane that requires Gizmo, you must uninstall Gizmo for the Seneca to work. In my setup with Gizmo installed, the FPS falls to 2 and the sound is awful. Uninstall Gizmo, the sound is awesome and FPS goes back to normal. Very easy plane to fly, trim is near perfect. Looks and flies very well.

This is just a thought, but I have always had the problem of X-Plane whether in version 9 or 10 of starting to load and then usually I get a, "system not responding", I just let it set and run, it will finally load up. When I first started using X-Plane, (version 9.5), I thought that the program had crashed and would try to reload it, I finally let it set for about 4 minutes and the sim would finally load. On my system it takes about 4 minutes to load up, and I get a ,"system not responding", for most of that time. Again just a thought, but perhaps some of you aren't giving the sim time to load, or giving up when you see the ,'system not responding", message.

You can get their B17, I think it is still freeware. Really topnotch, but you can't just jump in and go, takes me abut 30 to 45 minutes to get it started, although I don't fly it all that much. You have to start it cold and dark.

@ Avcomware, Those are pretty good views, As I stated before those are about the views that Carenado gets in their C152II. I wonder if most of the views done in high wing X Plane are from people not thinking about the views. I know I really hadn't thought too much about them until you brought them up, and still after you bringing the problem up a lot of people still don't understand what you are really saying. It maybe the same with some developers, either they may not have thought about the problem, or didn't really think it was that much of a problem. I have two high wing Cessna's, that have the view more like you are talking about, one from Jason Chandler, and the aforementioned C152II.

I usually adjust in planemaker so that I can see over the cowling, but when I do that then look to the left or right, I see the top of the door. In other words, I am in effect setting too high. Is there a setting in planemaker to lower the doors? The only setting I have played with, is the pilots vertical and longarm view. Occasionaly I move the lateral view a bit, usually to the left a little more. Again can we move the view looking out the doors to the left or right?

As a point of interest and continue Avcomware position, (I neither agree, or disagree with his position ) I have several C172SP from different developers, the only one that comes close to what Avcomware desires is from Jason Chandler. His C172SP setting in the default position, one can see some of the cowling, (not as much as in real life), and from that position looking left quite a bit of the left wingtip is in view, same with the right view. In fact one can raise your view position, (using the up, down arrows on the keyboard) and get a position whereas you can see the wingtips, a lot of the cowling and still see the critical instruments. "GOOD JOB". Jason. The only other plane that looks close to right is the Carenado C152 II. Again on that particular plane in the default position one can see a good portion of the cowling and the wingtips while still seeing all of the instruments. Carenado's C172 view however seems to be off.

I see the Carenado Seneca V panel looks quite similar to their Archer III panel. Setup for twin engines of course. since I have every Carenado made, (except the V tail Bonanza), I guess I will have to get this one.

I think the answer here is a yes, having said that, think probably we have the infamous tradeoff here. If the geometry is set to be correct, then you won't be able to see all of the panel, and on a lot of the panels the instruments that you won't see, are probably the most critical ones, this is talking about the default, (may we say 2Dpanel here), in the 3D panel one can scroll around or better, use TrackIR. However not everyone likes or wants to use the 3D panel, so perhaps the developers have to make a tradeoff here trying to make the sim usable for everyone. Please be aware this is only my thinking and opinions on this, but it seems to be a reasonable supposition to me. I like to see some of the cowling looking over the panel, particularly on light singles, so I go into Planemaker and set the pilots vertical view up a little bit, there again it is usually a tradeoff and is never perfect, but I can usually get it to where I can live with it. In a Cessna 172 in real life, if you are looking straight out of the windshield, you won't even see the panel, your head is about 2 feet above the panel, however it is very hard to get this view on a small 2 dimensional flat monitor and still fly.

Even without the v10 update it flies great. Just doesn't appear to have full throttle, looking at the manifold pressure, but there is still plenty of power!!

Actually what Avcomware is gripng about, is that if you raise your viewpoint up to where you can see the cowling when looking out over the nose, then look to the right or left, you indeed cannot see out the window at the wingtips. all you will see is the top of the window. So it is a positional thing that he is talking about. It can be overcome somewhat using TrackIR.

You can circle around outside. just hit Shift 4, then use the arrow keys to shift left, right up and the down arrow will take you closer to the plane. Also the period and comma keys will move you closer in or out. There are a myriad of views using the keyboard, or you can assign views to joystick buttons. Cinema Verite is like the head latency in FSX. There are different view points using the Shift + one of the number keys, There are at least 29 view commands. Keep in mind this is not a Microsoft product, so likely we will have to get used to different ways of doing things. I have never seen any body else's flight sim use the same key presses or commands as Microsoft uses, so I don't know why we expect that in this sim.

You can pan left, right up and down, how many other ways are there to pan? Its true there isn't support for eight way hat switches, but one can set a button for a diagonal view. It may be slightly more cumbersome, but in truth I have always found the eight way hat switches to be a bit cumbersome if you are trying to look up or down at a 45 degree angle. Trying to hit that fine point between the 90 degree point and the 45 degree point was always cumbersome to me. If the fast pan is too fast, and the normal pan too slow, trying getting off the hatswitch a bit quicker in he fast pan mode.

MortonM, I hope your wife doesn't read this forum!!!

Traffic that you see, depends on how many you set in the sim. In the menu go to Aircraft/Aircraft & Situations/Other Aircraft. There you can set how many AI aircraft you see. the sim will then randomly select the aircraft from the available craft you have. Be aware the more you have the bigger FPS hit you will take. The more cores ou hae in your CPU will make the FPS better. I think you can have as many as 20 AI aircraft. You must have at least 1 plane listed on that page, that is you.

I don't know what model MSFS was when I started playing it, but I played it for years on a TRS80 model I and III.It was on a tape player and ran in MSDOS for years in the mid 1980's and I have had every version that came out. With all the other flight sims that have come and gone, I always went back to Microsoft. So it is with a note of sadness, that I don't think I will be going with Flight.

That landing looked pretty good to me. Right on the center line, and no bounce. I'm glad you don't see my DC3 landings.

I know a lot, if not almost everyone wants a used look, but I am one also that likes a brand new shiny interior. I much prefer the brand new look, even for a DC3.

Just posted a screenshot in the screenshot forum of the DC3 here's a link for it. This is my new wallpaper feel free to use it if you are so inclined. be sure to click on the pix to see the whole thing, I put it up at maximum resolution allowed in the forum, so the pix is chopped of a little. http://forum.avsim.net/topic/368969-buffalo-at-kpwa/

Here's my current wallpaper, taken from X-Plane 10. Leading Edge Simulations DC3. Thanks GoranM for this plane, my newest favorite Maybe I should have made this pix smaller, click on it to see the whole thing.

If you got the axis set, you are almost "In like Flynn". The rest is easy, if you get one right, from now on it will be easy, and greasy. Alex to set a button got to Settings/Joystick &Equipment/Buttons Basic. With the Basic Button page up, first press the button on your joystick you want to assign an assignment to, then with your mouse cursor click in the radio button you want that button to be. That's all there is to it. On mine I set the joystick buttons to the same assignment I had in FSX, ie. button 1 is for brakes; button 2, toggle landing gear; button 3 left aileron trim; button 4, right aileron trim; so on and so forth, whatever the button did in FSX, i set for X-Plane, that way I don't have to relearn a bunch of assignments. Makes life simple, makes life fun. Keep in mind you can set these joystick buttons to anything that you want to, and or change them any time you want to.

I doubt if we could get a discount deal going as these ae from three different developers I think you made an excellent choice. Myself I am waiting for IXEG 737, that will probably be the only airliner I ever buy.

Howdy Devin, Thanks for the input, I wouldn't miss the so called trim wheel in the CH either, I only use it to make sure the pitch is centered when I calibrate the yoke. The hat switch would be handier on the left and if I get the Saitek, I will get the Saitek trim wheel as well. I'm thinking strongly of the Saitek presently, your mini review helps. Thanks again.

@ PingPong PingPong, can you compare the Saitek yoke with the CH Products yokes? I currently use the CH Flight Sim Yoke, but have had it for a long time, and thinking about getting a new yoke. I have had excellent service with the CH. But wondering if the Saitek yoke is better, or not. I also have the Saitek X52 stick and throttle, which works well also. I do favor yokes for most of my type of flying,(GA mostly). Of course I don't know if you have had experience with CH, but thought I would ask.

@Scorpiux Please let us know which way you go. I hope you get all three.