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1. ## Upper Winds wrong? Whats the source?

Hi Damian,Where did you find FSUIPC 4.75 ( seventy-five ?? ) - on the official page of Pete I find 4.25 ( twenty-five !! ) from Feb 14, 2008 !Is 4.25 the latest ?Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
2. ## Is the PMDG 744 a fuel guzzler?

Hi Rudy et al,this is an ever lasting story with the FMC in the PMDG . . .Here a few figures :EGLL-KPHX Jan 25 calc flt time 10:18 - TO 1115Z (ETA 2133Z)Calc burn 115.7 kgs/1000ETA accdg. FMC 2134Z with 17.7 KGS/1000 ( reading after initial level off at FL320 )- this would mean a burn of 119.5 kgs/1000Act Arr at 2147Z ( plus 14 minutes - lost 10 mins over Atlantic - )Fuel remaining at KPHX 21.6 Kgs/1000 !!Ttl burn 115.6 kgs/1000I must admit that my calculation was also a little off . . . but better than the FMC !This was discussed here a long time ago - even the boss himself ( Capt. RR ) wrote a reply, stating that the FMC is one of the most complex systems in the airplane and over 9000 pages of material must be worked into the PMDG program! He also mentionned that his team will look into this problem and hopefully improvements will come - the latest 747X still has the same problem. . .How come that I, with a rather simple spreadsheet program, be closer to the actual burn ? My program calculates the FF along the route by 15 waypoints ( all sectors more or less even ) and taken into account that the FF reduces by decreasing inflight weight and higher altitudes.The FMC does NOT calculates the step climbs, which are programmed by the FMC - after each step climb the est. fuel at destination jumps up - it should be already included in the FMC prediction.The FMC apparently calculates the time to dest with the present speed and not with the standart speed at a given mach number, altitude and temperature ISA - The last sector of the flight - OM to touchdown - the fuel calc is defenitely wrong in the FMC - average indication on all flights I did is 1200 to 1500 kgs, but in actual the aircraft needs only 400 to 500 kgs - checked in over 100 flights !!Several collegues here in the forum will now argue that this is not so important . . . but they want a simulation as close as possible to the RW - and an important part of FS is the FMC - and a relatively easy part to be checked by a normal flightsimmer - most of us cannot check if the 747 behaves like a real one ! ( Capt. RR will soon . . . )EDIT : Forecast winds are of course entered into the FMC - waypoint by waypoint, using ASX !! My calculation is based on those forecasts . . . !Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
3. ## 737NG FUEL PLANNING. ANY PILOT THERE? Need Help!!!

Hi,1. NO2. Looks OKKarl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg

5. ## 737NG FUEL PLANNING. ANY PILOT THERE? Need Help!!!

Hi Santiago,I am not a pilot but worked nearly 45 years with the airlines :here my planning ( btw 737NG are not all alike - 736 73G 738 (w ) and 739 )For 738 - your trip SCIE to SCEL with altn SCIETrip: 3600 lbscont.: 5% 180 - it all began with 10 %, then reduced to 7,5 % now 5 %recently I saw a RW flight plan with 3 % !Altn.: 3400 Final res: 2400 for 30 minsMin.Ldg. Fuel : 2000 lbs ( ONLY to be used in an emergency - supposed to keep the fuel pumps running )Taxi: all depends on the traffic situation at dep airport and distance to runway but with 500 lbs you should be OKExtra : anything up to max ldg wt - will be used in RW for tankering - which means if the fuel at dest is significantly more expensive - fill her up to MAX LDG WTMin. T/O Fuel : 11580 lbs PLUS taxi 500 lbs and possbl EXTRAKarl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
6. ## ASX Winds Aloft not matching Report Page

Hi,I am not flying online, but I use ASX wind and temperature reports (navlog) as basis for my fuel calculation - and in the days of high fuel prices ( thanks god not in FS . . . ) I usually fly with minimum fuel. Therefor I am dependant on most accurate wind forecasts.Yesterday I flew KJFK-EDDM with the 200830Z ASX WX report - till 4940N the winds were more or less accurate, but from 50N030W to LIMRI the forecast called for wind at 230/20 - ACTUAL winds were 265/130 and 270/130 (!!) - I was on the favourable side and the winds gave me a real push of nearly 20 mins - on the other hand, westbound it would put me into a fuel shortage.After the flight I checked the ASX WX again at 1625Z and the navlog still showed between 50N030W and LIMRI a wind at 222/36 . . .Enhanced route coverage was ON - wind smoothening was OFF and other than at descend into MUC there were NO wind shifts of any major significance.Sometimes I have the impression that ASX uses two different sources for the navlog and the feed into FSX during flight - I checked ( on other flights - NOT yesterdays ) ASX and hit the button for REFRESH WX and update the flight plan - the winds there and in FSX were completely different !!Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
7. ## Again . . . 2 FMC-Questions

Hi,I did a row of "test flights" with the 400F and got confirmed that the fuel consumption is LESS than the pax version . . . I use for my flightplanning about 5 % less during cruise - from TOD to touchdown it is about equal to the pax version,but . . .time and FF to TOC is much less than the pax747normal to FL330 with pax a/c is about 19 to 20 mins and a distance of 120 to 125 NM - the 400F uses only 14 to 15 mins and of course also less fuel for about 90 to 100 NM - both within the same weight range !!Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
8. ## Again . . . 2 FMC-Questions

1. After a few flights with both 744 and 744F I noticed a considerable difference in the fuel consumption between both aircraft - its about 7 to 10 % LESS FF in the cargo version. Is this normal or just a mistake ?I asked this before but received no answer neither inofficial nor official from PMDG.This is especially important when planning a flight very close to MAX LDG WT - I had several occasions arriving at destination OVER max ldg wt.2. Next item I noticed ever since I use the PMDG 744, the FMC shows for fuel at dest a figure which is too high - the reason for this is a wrong fuel calculation for the very last part of the trip, which is from OM outer marker to touchdown whereby the figure is about 1200 to 1500 kgs for ONE minute - actually the real value is about 400 to 500 kgs.My question now - is the figure in FMC for dest the fuel at TOUCHDOWN or does it include the taxi-in fuel ?I have saved about 25 approaches at different airports and after a test row at all apts I found the same difference ! Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
9. ## STEP SIZE in FMC/PERF INIT Page

Hi,both entries are NOT required for a normal flight, but it is very helpful. . .As Dan mentionned before I also change to 2000 from ICAO - differencebetween both is the area you fly in. In most areas the RVSM or MNPS rule governs, which means that you will fly from 0 to 179 ODD levels ( 310/330/350 ) and from 180 to 359 at EVEN levels ( 300/320/340 etc ) and the entry into the FMC helps you to define the time for step clb.In the other areas the conventional or ICAO rule takes place which means that the steps are 4000 ft ( from 290 to 330 then 370 for ODD ). Whereby the FMC time for step climb is not very accurate - I use the indication of MAX level minus 20 as my point of climb which is earlier than the FMC time and saves even more fuel !The COST INDEX is related to the fuel consumption and fuel price - I use in the 747 a C/I of 135 which gives me a speed of M .855 and a TAS of 495 kts - you can play around with this function of the FMC and find out for yourself . . .EDIT : Even in flight you can change the C/I and will let you see the change of TAS/Mach nbr and fuel flow, but this is very limited in the engines page - you will notice the FF change only over longer period of time.Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
10. ## PMDG 747 Frankfurt - Kai Tak

Just great for a 13year old . . . Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
11. ## Again . . . 2 FMC-Questions

Ryan,I have to bring up this question again . . .Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
12. ## FS9/XP/Graphic problem

Hi Ryan,you are right - hardware problem, graphic card problem with high-end graphic jobs - all other indications are OK.Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
13. ## FS9/XP/Graphic problem

Hi,yesterday I finished my flightplanning program for the 738 and I liked to test it - so I reactivated my FS9/XP machine and had a good flight from SIN to KIX . . . and my calculated plan was just fine . . .Today I wanted to fly from my hometown Berlin and started the FS9 and after roughly 5 to 10 mins the screen went blank, the PC was just freezed and I could only hit the ON/OFF switch. I am pretty sure that nothing was changed during the night when I was in bed . . . I loaded new display drivers for X1650 series but nothing changed - sometimes it stopped already at the gate, sometimes during taxiing, but I never got airborne. Sometimes a failure message came up from MS telling me something about a STOP FAILURE.Any ideas what happened ?Happy New Year !Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
14. ## FS9/XP/Graphic problem

After a few adjustments on the graphic card ( hardware acceleration 2 digits to left from max - I found this hint on a MS site ), I got in the air but passing Fl180 it freezed again . . .Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
15. ## Again . . . 2 FMC-Questions

Are those questions too difficult or too silly ?Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
16. ## Complete mess . . .

Hi,what is wrong with the wind data ?loaded KSFO-KBOS and got a wind forecast at FL 350 ALL THE WAY at 121 rpt 121 DEGREES with one exception where the wind was at 286 for 39 miles . . .The official wind map from aviationweather.gov shows a clear westerly wind situation!Just to be sure I loaded KLAX-KJFK and got for nearly the same routea wind with 151 and 181 degrees alternating also with one exception of 286 degrees . . . Just now ( 11:55 Z ) the wind for KSFO-KBOS changed to mainly 181 deg and sometimes 151 degsomething is really messed up . . . just loaded PANC-KLAS and the winds look weird - always 181 or 211 or 121 degreesKarl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
17. ## Complete mess . . .

I did it again . . .at 1500Z downloaded KSFO-KBOS and got after SLC ALL winds at ALL altitudes at 262 degrees !!!! with slightly different wind speeds.During flight preparation - flightplan and fuel calculation - I noticed this and requested a manual wx refresh at 1520Z and everything was back to normal again and winds show up accdg present wind situation . . . very funny and frustrating !Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
18. ## Wind shifts still kill in SP2

Hi Thomas,this had been discussed in length - just DISABLE WIND SMOOTHENINGand you will have some relief . . .Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
19. ## Complete mess . . .

Hi all,we are still talking on two different frequencies . . .I am talking about the navlog 171150Z with following winds :KLAX to LAS 181/55to FREDD 151/53to LMN 181/60at JAVAS 151/78at ALBRT 294/80MZV 151/79JOT 181/55GIJ to CRL14 151/40BUYKK 293/44DORET to MUNCI 181/55SWANK to LVZ 121/67and the rest to KJFK 181/75Apparently you have tested something which went wrong . . . two hours later the winds were first part at 300/50-70then for abt 900 nm 275/45-55and for the rest 290/45 which matches the official wx situationI checked several other routings and always the wind directions had a 1 ( one ) as third digit with very few exceptions and heavy differences to the official weather !Actually I don't understand all this about simconnect etc. and to overcome this I will switch back to XP and FS9 and AS6.5 during the holidays and continue my flying there . . . without all this stress with wrong winds . . .Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
20. ## Complete mess . . .

Hi Jim,thanks for fast reply, but . . .this was not the question !I am talking about winds aloft and NOT station wx, where you can find RMK's - actually what I don't understand anyway.Today the SFO wx showed at grd 27500kt which is not used in aviation but CALM and you changed it from 000 ( ??? ) and fcst says 12005 - again what a mess . . .by the way at 15:10z the winds aloft for KSFO-KBOS are normal and match the official fcst !Suggestion : if you are still testing ( OK and appreciated by the user ) do it on a test server ! Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
21. ## KLAX-KJFK Case Study

Hi Dan, Damian, JimI am preparing a complete report for this flight and send it to you via e-mail with excel attachmentKarl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
22. ## KLAX-KJFK Case Study

Perhaps this will frustrate you even more . . .Today I flew Dan's trip from KLAX to KJFK and . . .NO PROBLEMS - no windshifts ( at least just minor which did not endanger the speeds )Wind according forecast ( also just minor differences )in all a good and uneventful trip - just 3 minutes later than calculated, mainly on arrival in JFK.Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
23. ## KLAX-KJFK Case Study

?????The constant wind direction is normal for now. What else do you have questions about??????I really don't understand this answer . . .To alter the famous saying :"HiFi YOU have a problem" Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
24. ## upper winds fixed in sp2?

More test flights are required . . . I did another one ( just crashed shortly before TOD - winds thru me off the sky - IAS at 380 kts then stall at 180 kts !! - wind smoothening ...)- same route KIAD-EDDM same routing, but with new wx of course . . .With nearly the same result -good and stable forecasted winds until it goes over the atlantic -same thing : fcst wind at 4850N 265/30 then 40W 235/135 at 30W 295/130until DOGAL - actual wind freezed to 325/65 all the way !!!I have the strong feeling that ASX does NOT recognize the position of the aircraft when flying with coordinates ( like 4850N ) or does ASX require another input like 48N050W ? With the known problem with PMDG FMC that the format 48N050W may cause some problems - or has this been fixed ? I did not try it recently . . .Winds came up again after DOGAL but not accdg forecast in the navlog !!QTE from MAIN PAGE ASX16:03:10: Manual Wx Refresh Requested....16:03:10: Refreshing Weather....16:03:10: Downloading global weather data for 07.12.2007 15:03:10 (15Z) from Secondary Server...16:03:14: Saving weather to disk16:03:35: Download complete16:03:35: Populating weather stream with new data...16:03:35: Parsing line items16:03:41: Processing route data...16:04:08: 7687 stations were scanned (397 did not provide recent data)16:04:08: Weather stream fully populated with new data16:04:16: Route data processed...16:04:30: Synthesis updated...UNQTE( I cannot copy and paste the updated data - is there a possibility ? )Now the big surprise : the updated winds do not show up in the 747X FMC !! The winds in the FMC are about 35 to 40 degrees off !!Forecast 275 actual 310 to 315 !! The speeds are indentical !!How can that be ? Perhaps Jim or Damian can explain how the winds are imported into the 747X FMC . . .Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpg
25. ## upper winds fixed in sp2?

First trip with SP2 and PMDG 747XRoute KIAD-EDDM SID SWANN - OOD - BOS - YQI - YQY - YYT -4850N 5140N 5330N 5420N - DOGAL - STU - KOK - BOMBI STARWinds forecast until BOS average 290/60 Actual 020/55 later 325/60further fcst to 240/45 - 55 act 300/50 to 275/65then big surprise from YQY it was as forecasted at 245/88 and it stayed at 240/88 with not a single deviation for the whole trip over the water ! I thought that I lost connection to ASX but the protocol showed wx update every 10 mins - meanwhile the forecast winds over the atlantic were supposed to be in the range of 145 to 160 kts after 5140N but it was fixed at 240/88 ! Then in the range of the Irish coast suddenly the winds came back to the forecast and absolutely correct !! Is there a problem with ASX over water ?About wind shifts - it was a clear improvement seen but shortly after OOD at FL350 I had wind shifts around the compass rose for about 1 minute and roughly 7 to 8 severe shifts within this 1 minute !! Later on no problems whatsoever !!Karl-Heinz - EDDI/THF " Tempelhof "" The mother of all airports " - Sir Norman Fosterhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/181651.jpg