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Hi Edward, Yeah I did some testing last night with the information you provided me and my results were pretty similar to yours. The N1 in the FMC and TOPCAT were out by about 5-10%. However the V-Speeds calculated in both were still pretty close regardless. I don't see how the airport could really cause this behavior but it does seem to be contributing. There must be something in the config files that's off... Have you seen this happen at any other airports?

Thanks Art, glad to hear your getting good numbers! Your original config was a big help when I was working out my calculations. So thanks to you too! Hi Edward, Not sure why your getting different numbers, obviously there will be some discrepancies, the math in my config files isn't perfect, but your results are out by a fair bit. Are you sure your aircraft setup in FSX matches the configuration file in TOPCAT (same model/cabin layout)? Did you enter your payload manually into the FMC or export it from within TOPCAT? Are you sure all your weights match up across each station according to TOPCATs payload distribution? (Including the Fwd and Aft cargo stations) I wouldn't mind doing some testing with your flight. If you can export the Loadsheet as a txt file and PM it too me along with your aircraft details that would be great.

Hey everyone, It's been brought to my attention that the total pax load I've noted on my 737-800 Two class configuration is incorrect. It reads 30450 lbs, but should be 28350 lbs (8400 + 10500 + 9450). I accidentally copied the single class pax load value into my notes. Just thought I'd let you all know in case it was confusing your own calculations. Remember that the value is just a notation in the config file and wouldn't have been effecting TOPCATs actual calculations at all. Regards,

Hi Edward, Although the two class NGX models have a two 'classes' to load in the FMC (first class and coach class), the actual aircraft configuration within FSX itself has three passenger 'stations' that it distributes the load between. This is why I included a '% of station load is first class' notation on my two class config files, it will help you determine how many of the station.0 pax you need to load into first class from the FMC, (see red notation below): PASSENGER_STATIONS] station.0=48;16.1;Fwd Cabin;1 // 8400 / 29.63% (25% of station load is First Class) You may wan't to read over my previous reply to Dave if you haven't done so already, I've tried my best to explain it there. Regarding your figure of 30 pax though, not sure why TOPCAT is only allowing you to only load 30 in the first station as the max pax load for that station in the 738 two class config is definitely 48pax. Just make sure you're definitely selecting the NGX738 Two Class configuration when creating the aircraft in TOPCAT, and that you haven't changed any of the default values in that menu. Thanks for pointing that out John! I've updated that config file now and re-archived the zip folder. Let me know if the download link has broken since doing so... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59841802/TOPCAT_Configs_PMDG_NGX.zip

Hi Dave, The only sections you'll need to convert for my config files to work in KG's are the [CONFIGURATION] section, the [CARGO_STATIONS] section and the first value in each of the [MAC_LIMITS...] sections. To be honest you could probably just have TOPCAT convert the values for you by selecting Metric as the units of measurement when creating the Aircraft in TOPCAT, this would probably be sufficient enough. But if your OCD like me then you'll probably wan't to do it all yourself manually - as I probably will at some point too! Also regarding my numbers in the [MAC_LIMITS_...] sections, I just took these from Art's (props to him!) previous post as they seemed to work fine and I haven't really had a chance to delve into all those calculations (not sure I will even bother until PFPX comes out). However you are correct, the first value in these sections is the weight, and I'm guessing the following values are the CG offsets?? I could be wrong though. For PAX payload calculations TOPCAT uses the number of PAX per station multiplied by your PAX weight value in the options menu - this is why I noted initially to set your PAX weight to 175lbs and only load adults, as all NGX passengers weigh the same. Here's a bit of a visual explanation of the PAX value lines from the 738 Two Class config I posted earlier in text: (note that anything following // on a line is not seen by TOPCAT) PASSENGER_STATIONS] station.0=48;16.1;Fwd Cabin;1 // 8400 / 29.63% (25% of station load is First Class) station.1=60;-5.9;Mid Cabin;2 // 10500 / 37.04% station.2=54;-28.1;Aft Cabin;3 // 9450 / 33.33% // 30450 (total pax load) Here the values in red are what TOPCAT is reading - i.e. max load in station.0 is 48 PAX - the value following the // in blue is how much a full station load of PAX weighs - i.e. 48pax = 8400lbs - and the percentage after that is how much of the total PAX payload - not including cargo load - that station can hold. I've also included a percentage for the two class configurations so you can determine how much of the first station you need to load into the first class cabin within the aircraft itself - i.e. in the case of a full station.0 load of 48pax, 25% of them will be in first class = 12pax in first class. If there were 40pax in station.0 you would load 25% of 40pax = 10pax in first class. You can determine how TOPCAT is distributing the passengers by clicking the Payload Distribution button in the W&B page. Hope this helps, If you have any other questions let me know! Hi Edward, Yep just drop all the .txt files into your TOPCAT\Configurations directory with all the others and the next time you load TOPCAT it will process them when initially loading. As per my previous post when selecting the Aircraft model in TOPCAT - choose type Boeing 737-700 for the -600 and -700 configurations, and Boeing 737-800 for the -800 and -900 configurations. They will appear in the aircraft configuration dropdown as NGX73# Single/Two Class -------------- Hope I haven't overly bored anyone with my excessive ranting!

Thanks for letting me know Julian, I've re-archived the ZIP file and updated the link in my original post. Can you try it now and let me know if there's still an issue? It appears to be working fine from my end. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59841802/TOPCAT_Configs_PMDG_NGX.zip

Hi Everyone, I've been following this topic for some time and making my own calculations and changes to the config files as new information has been brought to light. I've been able to create what I think are some pretty accurate TOPCAT config files for all the NGX models for both the Single and Two class cabin layouts. If you wanted to give them a try you can download the ZIP folder containing my configs from my dropbox link below (I don't post too often so let me know if this isn't working): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59841802/TOPCAT_Configs_PMDG_NGX.zip Things to note: All weights are in LBS, also - set your passenger weights in TOPCAT to 175lbs (this is how much an NGX passenger weighs) and only load ADULTS. No kids or infants. I've done a lot of comparing between the FMC weights and what actually appears in the FSX payload screens, as well as the aircraft.cfg files for each model. There seems to be some discrepancies in certain places, but I've tried best to determine which values work best in the config files. Also, I've added some notations within the config files themselves to give an idea of how much load each station can take, and each stations percentage of the total load. Lastly, I think I've done pretty well to get the MAC readings and V-speed predictions accurate. If you load up the aircraft and set an empty payload (no fuel either) you'll notice the CG reported by the FMC and from TOPCAT will be the exact same for all models. You can confirm this by checking the config file and seeing that I haven't needed to set a MAC_Shift value either. Defintely the last thing to note. when selecting the Aircraft model in TOPCAT - choose Boeing 737-700 for the -600 and -700 configurations, and select Boeing 737-800 for the -800 and -900 configurations. I'd be happy to see if anyone is able to improve on these configurations even more! For those who just wan't a quick glance, here's my config file for the -800 with a two class cabin layout:

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Thanks for the kind words guys! Unfortunately I don't tend to have much for FSX these days. However I'll do my best to keep contributing.

My first contributions to this forum. Shots taken on an early morning flight from KLAX to KLAS. Enjoy!

Yes I was experiencing that issue with EZDOK also. It forces the VC cockpit view as soon as load into the sim. However since doing the reinstall of EZDOK it has seemed to fix all the issues I was having with FS2Crew. Since then I have been able to start the sim in 3D mode and run through full flights with FS2crew no problem. I no longer need to load the sim in 2D mode first for it to work.

I had this problem too, turned out to be EZDOK camera. After I completely uninstalled it and deleted all the EZCA folder in AppData etc, I ran a test of FS2Crew in 2D view and was able to get past the engine start. I then reinstalled EZDOK and tested again in the VC and it worked fine. A good way to determine if the FO is ready for the Engine start procedure is to see if he's actually set the pressurization panel to the altitude you set in the FMC. I found that every time I had this error he had skipped that step, even though I had correctly configured my CDU for preflight. However if your not using EZDOK, I am not sure what could be causing the problem for you.

I'd also like to know this, for all I know I could be using the very first ones!

On all aircraft in GSX, the fuel truck simply drives up to the plane and opens up the FSX refueling window. At this point you have the option to enter a fuel amount and 'load the fuel', or you can simply press CANCEL on the refueling window, and it will close (making no changes to the current fuel loads). With complex aircraft like the NGX, this is what i've been doing with GSX. Although the fuel truck isn't 'theoretically' loading any fuel onto it, you still get to see the fancy GSX fuel truck drive up to your NGX and position itself to load the fuel. When GSX opens the refueling window and you select CANCEL, the truck sits there for about 2 seconds before driving off, so in that short time you could enter the fuel load into the NGX CDU to simulate the fuel loading while the truck is there. It's better than nothing, and adds a small amount of realism i suppose.