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how many airbii is this now? I'm not saying most of them won't be great, I just find the Airbus itself a bore. A severely limited hal9000-like computer. We are missing whole fleets of bizjets, high quality PMDG like kinds. Learjets, Falcons, Citations with FMCs, Gulfstreams, BBJs.Or how about freight dawgs who enjoy planes like the 1900c, B99, 402C, C208. How about PMDG-like (not express) quality from them?GA aircraft are also missing, many peoples favorites are gone. How many companies are making airbus now?

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Trouble is, every company will have been working on them for ages, probably starting because they looked round a saw there were no decent airbuses about...

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if you want payware system quality at no price -- tinmouseII (737-200).--

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They're only responding to market demand. And the technology being used in AirlinerXP can only be good for us. I do wish there were PMDG, LDS, etc quality bizjets. I think that will be the next big thing.

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Bizjets will come, I'm sure.Seriously though, how many Airbus add-ons do we have on the market that qualify as complex? There isn't one high quality A320 for FS9. I realize PMDG is making an A320, but it's only for FSX, and personally I have no interest in FSX right now, so the AXP will be perfect.

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>I do wish there were PMDG, LDS, etc quality bizjets.there is the FT legacy -*http://www.feelthere.com/2005/legacy.html--

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I believe what AXP will be able to deliver, based on the players involved, will be a major step forward for all of us, no matter what we fly.We're talking about something here which will raise the state of the art and will have broad implications for future software development.As much as I can agree with some of the sentiments expressed about desires for aircraft outside the Airbus family, let's give AXP a chance to hit a "home run" with these new products before bemoaning their decision to work on Airbus first.As I said earlier, this is one Boeing fanatic who's very excited this is happening!Cheers,Dennis

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That's funny, the FT Legacy is truly the only hardcore bizjet we have now...As far as Airbus goes, this is truly catch up time. Flight Simulator has never seen a hardcore Airbus outside of SSW's A310. You can go back to pre-FS2000 days and I challenge you to find one. This variety is surely welcome albeit all at one time.

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>>I do wish there were PMDG, LDS, etc quality bizjets.>>there is the FT legacy ->>*http://www.feelthere.com/2005/legacy.html>>--It's probably the best bjet in the market as of now. But feelthere products aren't at the same level as PMDG & LDS though. (not sure about their Airbus because it's too new for me to know.)

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Speeking of bizjets, where are the Gulfstream's?Dave FisherCYYZP4 Prescott 3.2e 478p 800mhz 1mg CPUP4P800SE Asus Motherboard2.5 gig PC3200 DDR RAM 400MHZGeForce 7600GT/512 OC'dMaxtor 80 Gig ATA 133 HD x2WDC WD800 80 Gig HDAntec 500watt true powerSharp 19 inch LCD MonitorLogitech Extreme 3D pro Joystickhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpghttp://fs2crew.com/linepilot.jpg

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>Speeking of bizjets, where are the Gulfstream's?much talked about issue over the years.gulfstream is OVERLY protective of their product (like disney). so, no payware developer has been able to get the necessary permissions required in designing the plane.similar issue with american airlines and the flightsim.com file library.--

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I often wonder just how many people actually understand the Airbus philosophy?It can be as manual or as automated as you like, just like the 737NG and the 777. The only real difference is the sidestick. If you just think of the FBW system as an 'autotrim' functon under normal situations, it really isn't much different than any flying any other glass aircraft.Silly names like 'Scarebus' etc come about when something new is not fully undrstood (or threatens Boeing's historical monopoly on civil airliners)All I can say is my credit card is waiting for the Airliner XP A320Glenn

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>Speeking of bizjets, where are the Gulfstream's?>>Dave Fisher>CYYZDave, they are still holding in the lawyer's office. General Dynamics (parent company of Gulfstream) absolutely forbids any company using their name, likeness, etc., including the distinctive shape of the windows.

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>Silly names like 'Scarebus' etc come about when something new>is not fully undrstood (or threatens Boeing's historical>monopoly on civil airliners)No, the term originates from the fact that under some conditions, the bloody-minded computer won't allow manual control...

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I imagine Gulfstream would be skeptical of current developers producing a good enough version but maybe when they see the Airbus they will change their mind.

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I actually think that Airbus has something to do with it. But then again I am probably just being paranoid!! ;-)

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Yes, must be really 'scary' when that #### FBW system won't allow you to put the aircraft in a stall situation or any condition outside of it's known flight envelope.I don't know how the pilots cope.......;-)How did the F-16 ever become so succesful.....fancy gizmos and gadgets that FBW system....not for 'real' pliots you know.Personally, I find the FBW system interesting and something different. I have been looking forward to a true representation of the Airbus FBW flight laws and it looks as though Airliner XP will deliver the goods.Glenn

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>>Silly names like 'Scarebus' etc come about when something>new>>is not fully undrstood (or threatens Boeing's historical>>monopoly on civil airliners)>>No, the term originates from the fact that under some>conditions, the bloody-minded computer won't allow>manual control...>Hmmm,What conditions are these then Bill?Other than flight envelope protection in normal law, where is there any lack of manual control available to the pilot?

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So, let's look at this in simple numbers.How many people would it take to put together a decent biz jet? A modeler for exterior/interior 3D models, a SimConnect programmer, texture artist and a couple of guys with experience in that type of bird to work on the flight model, right?Maybe I just take a more proactive approach, but if the call is there, people should be putting some teams together.

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>So, let's look at this in simple numbers.>>How many people would it take to put together a decent biz>jet? A modeler for exterior/interior 3D models, a SimConnect>programmer, texture artist and a couple of guys with>experience in that type of bird to work on the flight model,>right?>>Maybe I just take a more proactive approach, but if the call>is there, people should be putting some teams together.Always sounds simple. There's also a reason why there's only a few "top" teams.

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>how many airbii is this now? I'm not saying most of them>won't be great, I just find the Airbus itself a bore. A>severely limited hal9000-like computer. We are missing whole>fleets of bizjets, high quality PMDG like kinds. Learjets,>Falcons, Citations with FMCs, Gulfstreams, BBJs.>>Or how about freight dawgs who enjoy planes like the 1900c,>B99, 402C, C208. How about PMDG-like (not express) quality>from them?>>GA aircraft are also missing, many peoples favorites are gone.>How many companies are making airbus now? Your input has been noted and all future developments on anything airbus related have been halted. Instead, you will get another 737 version. And no bizjets, sorry. Our research shows people want 737s. sigh.. threads like this trully amaze me.

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Oh, I agree.I'm just saying that there are tons of talented people out there and if someone wants a bizjet enough, they should try to make it happen. Like I said, I'm just proactive towards these things. (Note: I'm not proactive enough to learn how to model in 3D :( )

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