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>The only excitement recently was the AirlinersXP.>>Apart from that.. Its pretty much a dead zone. Not many addons>for FS9...and not many addons for FSX.>>Its like being in a holding pattern.>>IS it just me? I got so addicted to new addons every other>week to checkout and purchase. >>Hopefull the FSX fix would revive the excitement and hopefully>they have fixed the Airport texture thing so Fly tampa airport>sceneries can run in FSX and or, FS9/FSX sceneries could be>developed together.>>For some reason, I am more excited about sceneries than>aircrafts... even though a good PMDG ailiner type aircrafts is>exciting.>>Manny>>PS Oh yeah.. I forgot about Megascenery. Yeah they are>exciting. Maybe I am just greedy!>>:(I beg to differ on the addons. Have you been checking the FS9 freeware addons. Huge amount virtually every day compared to the paltry FSX offerings.Right now FS9 is where it's at. I have an enormous amount of addons for FS9. And it's beautiful and flying the best its ever flown. FSX has been a huge letdown. Unlike any previous version I'm flying FS9 at least 90% of the time. I reserve some crumbs to bush flying in FSX.

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He who dies with the most toys might win, but he who plays with his toys most dies happiest;-) I think the developers of both payware and freeware are also trying to catch their breath after the release of FSX and Vista,and are waiting to see where exactly this "new journey" is going to take us all.John M

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Manny, I guess it depends on your perspective. If you are in it to collect addons, then it could be considered a standstill. If you are in it to simulate flight on your PC then it is a great time, especially if you have the PC power to run FSX.I haven't even loooked at the latest addons in the library for the last few weeks, but I fly every other day and enjoy it.Everyone needs to keep in mind that development time gets longer and longer with each new sim version. With us becoming pickier with our quest for what we believe is realism and detail, it only gets worse for developers.I saw a post from a simmer on another forum complaining about how most of the latest addons here are nothing but "lousy" repaints, talk about an unappreciative jerk. Regards, MichaelKDFW

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"Dude, cruise the library here, starting with the "Whats New" button."Maybe Manny is sad because he's not seeing much for FSX in the library (compared to FS9 releases). :-violinI must say we are far from a stand still especially concerning FS9... What FSX has done is cause confusion as to whether it's feasible to create complex add-ons in the new sim or not plus where will this sim be a year from now with hardware at that time? Many of our add-on developers are reverting back to FS9 especially the scenery guys. Freeware guys for the most part never left FS9 and have yet to fully embrace FSX. Yea you get repaints for the default FSX birds and some land class here and there but nothing really serious. That

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"I feel this hobby has come to a standstill"I feel the complete opposite! :-eek ...my hobby has never been more fun, more complex, more satisfying with enough new and old addons to keep me busy for years! ..... and that's FS9 :)For example I just installed MEHRABAD INTL (OIII) for the first time this morning (old scenery) in preparation for my upcoming OIII/EGLLMy steed will be the NEW POSKY 747SP (fantastic freeware) ...panel will be Ed/RFP (NEW edit specifically for the SP).... no standstill here m8 ...my sim just gets more involving every day. :-kewl

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I totally agree with Ed!I'm personally a tad frustrated with having just too many add-ons that I don't have the time to learn or explore properly. I share flying time mainly between PMDG737, 747, LevelD, Lago Maddog, Coolsky Super-80 and FFS Saab 340 (and bunch of GA and Bizjets) but I haven't really digged in to any as much as they deserve. So for me the AirlinerXP Airbus, PMDG MD11, PMDG737, Level757 can take as much time as they want, I'm way too busy learning what I have already.And as long as there is VATSIM, having a "standstill" is simply impossible!

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"I feel this hobby has come to a standstill."Interesting. True as well. Lots of new add-ons but few new ideas. The market shows a sad lack of original thinking. We're missing huge opportunities for flying fun.Things To Come tried a few cool things. This one shows the line of thinking add-on developers should be exploring.http://things-to-come.com/index_lp.htmA huge NASA base scenery with a cool experimental aircraft, a unique flight situation , and a P-51 thrown in as well. This is a package that offers the buyer things to do. FS9 is a sim, a game, a place to fly and have fun and learn about flight and history and geography. It's not just a showboard for cockpit tech and switch design. :-jumpy "Look at my A320, don't you think it's so much nicer than the six other A320s released this month? Hmmm, don'cha? Huh? Huh?" Let's see some original thinking. Let's see some packages that incorporate scenery and aircraft and history in an original way. For my part, I would love to see a high detailed Edwards Air Force Base that comes with, let's say, an F-106 or F-104, a few test flight "missions", and some imaginative bells and whistles.Won't happen, though, Too many of the same things being releasd over and over. (Often for way too much $$$.)Oh well.

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Totally with Krister and no idea where Eric is coming from! :-lol For me in a nutshell I quote "I'm personally a tad frustrated with having just too many aircraft add-ons that I don't have the time to learn or explore properly...."...but add I also have sooooo many airports/routes I have not flown (the SID's 'n STAR's maketh the airport IMHO)...and my paint/panel shop is booked up for the next few years!I know we all have so many different ways of enjoying this fantastic hobby.

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" ...and no idea where Eric is coming from!"Yeah, I hear that a lot. :-coolDid you check the link and look at that NASA package? That's some original thinking. We need more projects like that.When they announced the new mystery project by DreamFleet with Vauchez in on it, I thought we were going to see a top shelf scenery & plane package. Something new and inventive. Oh well, it's another Airbus. Ok then. Sure their Airbus looks terrific and the tech is impressive, but I would have rather seen something more... dynamic and imaginative.

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I'm loving FS9 right now. I'm finding lots of great freeware sceneries in the library all the time. I don't have the time to fly as much as some people, so even though this stuff isn't "new" it is certainly new to me! Right now there are a ton more addons available that I simply don't have the time for.

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"Man who lives in glass house... should change in basement"hehehehe, sorry had to post this, it really has nothing to do with what is being said.I agree with what John M said. Things take time. Enjoy what we have now. It sure beats what was 10 years ago.Happy flying.Huggs:(

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. . an' I'm up there with Cap'n Picasso! It takes a few hundred flights to become "as one" with a particular aeroplane in the real world. Given the number of aircraft available and the supporting addons like FS Passenges, FDC. etc., and the length of time it takes to become ATP-profficient, i.e. aviation technology - air law, meteorology, navigation - itself, and the ability we have to pick almost any aircraft from any era - I suspect that a goodly number of people don't have the patience or the desire to learn, and simply start on the active, hit Ctl-E and just take off. The need for instant gratification only ever leads to overconfidence, superficial familiarity, leading to boredom, and the eventual need to move on to the "next toy". I agree, Manny - a super part of the hobby is "shopping" (and buying); the downside of that, of course, is that you don't do justice to what you already have in the stable. There's not much point in owning Cloud 9's LAX if you never fly there! I have to add - the biggest change for me came when I upgraded the hardware to that below. I have never seen such beautiful scenery, nor enjoyed the sim as much as I now do. I'm still buying, though - the odd aircraft, as well as sceneries - as there are lots of places on this - now new earth - to be discovered.Interesting topic.

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>He who dies with the most toys might win, but he who plays>with his toys most dies happiest;-) >>>>John MYeah..good advice. I should follow that mantra... :)ThanksManny

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You are right Chris.I have tons of addons for FS9 that I can fly around and I do.But I am unable to do that in FSX for the most part.I have a couple of great GA aircrafts for FSX (The Eaglesofts Cirrus SR22, the RealAir 260, the Aeroworx Kingair, the F172, the fantastic Freeware P51. so I am ok on that front.For airliners... Once I get the FSX version of the PMDG747, the AirlinersXP airbus and the LvlD 767, and the CS 707 and the C130, I would be a happy camper.But the airport sceneries...This is the problem in FSX. I cannot get myself to fly out of the default runway textures and land in another default runway textures. So..I just fly the GA aircrafts in Hawaii now (The only addon scenery I have for FSX) and I never land. I must be sick!I know..there are tons of Airport sceneries for FS9 that I can get (freeware and Payware).. the whole europe.. Germany, France, Spain etc... But I feel guilty buying new addons for FS9 (exclusively for FS9) when I am trying to build FSX. But I still buy the ones that say..they'll upgrade it for FSX. I bought Austria's Salzburg recently.:(Manny

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Well, I'm saturated with add ons. At the end of last year there was a big sale at PC Aviator on mostly FS9 add ons (I guess they were anticipating they would be obsolete with FSX coming out?). I got PIC 737, Frieght Dogs, Ready For Pushback 747 and I have yet to crack them open.The great thing is that if you are "lucky" enough to have a slightly older machine (like my 2 year old, 3.2 ghz Dell XPS, that is a great machine), you wont be "downgrading" to FSX since you can't run it on anything but a topend new computer, so you can enjoy all the FS9 stuff at great prices!

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Well actually if you are a virtual pilot who likes flying heavies I would recommend getting a top end computer and putting FS9 on it!....all sliders to max .... you will be flightsimming as it was meant to be! ....heavenly! :-bigangel

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>I agree, Manny - a super part of the hobby is "shopping" (and>buying); the downside of that, of course, is that you don't do>justice to what you already have in the stable.Yep, and easy 'trap' to get into.For the last year I have created an Excel spread sheet Flight Log, which I import(ed) my FS Log into.I then 'separated' all my various aircraft, and started logging how much I fly each of them. I realized how many aircraft I have that I don't fly regularly, and should more often. I also realized which ones are my favorites to fly. Setting up the details, I then used the data to create a bar graph so it is easy to visualize how much each have been flown (by hours flown). I actually use that to try and 'spread my flying around' in various aircraft so I start using what I have in 'my hanger'. It also keeps me from flying the same aircraft flight after flight. Ridiculous huh? :DActually I have thought about purchasing a couple more aircraft, but then look at my chart, and realize I have more great aircraft than I have time to fly now.....so I take a look at a couple that need some exercise, and create flights for them ;) In fact, I just took a peek, and realized my Carenado Mentor hasn't been in the skies for a while, so it's time to put my sectional chart in my lap, and find some NBD's to fly an ADF route.I have enough to keep me interested for many many months.

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Having only flown the real things for 32 years, you are SO correct, Ed!You don't need to fly heavies either. ;)On the other side...You'd be amazed what it is like taking a Piper Dakota down the Hudson River past Manhattan at 1000'(with 3 other real people on board), while talking on the river frequency (123.05), and watching / talking to the choppers going back and forth, and other aircraft, and banner tow planes less than 1/2 mile away (you also get a blimp near you now and then), while getting a TIS warning on your Garmin 430 with GTX330 every 10 seconds. Every time that voice says "traffic", you get another grey hair!"Dakota is Lincoln Tunnel, south-bound Jersey-side for the Verrazano, 1000."I'll take that any day over FL380 with a computer telling me what to do.Okay, that's not quite FS (would be nice if it was), but I've always felt that what most folks miss in FS is a good dose of imagination, and I feel that is most essential, and even at its best, FS is not even 50% real world, even with the best add-ons, and that includes mine!Do what I just described in FS, even in the default Cessna 172; just use your imagination, and don't worry worry about the simulated roll rate, or at what rate the brakes cool. Just fly and enjoy!Your imagination is a wonderful tool that we all have, and when you use it, it makes FS almost real.MS knows that. Anyone knows that the previous version will run like a Greyhound on a top end machine. Take avantage of that, plug in some imagination, and enjoy!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/166384.jpgNow, that's flying! Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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Well, Manny, dunno 'bout you, but FS9 has enough stuff to last half a dozen lifetimes. I personally have come to a standstill of sorts despite my ever mushrooming hardware setup for FS these days. I just bought the GoFlight pedestal and put all my GF units into it. Then I decided I really would like the GoFlight TQ6 throttle quad.I think that in all honesty it takes so much work to master a single good piece of commercial add-on a/c that there is a natural limit as to how much anybody can truly master. I've spent scores or hundreds of hours since 2000 on the PSS 747-400, PSS 777-200, PMDG 747-400, PMDG 737NG series, and the Level-D 767, and a lot less time on the CoolSky Md-80 and I tell you it's just too much ! No sane person can take all that on in 5 years and master it all at home perfectly although I have tried earnestly and honestly.I used to drive mesself bonkers about every new a/c in the old days and I had to have every type and panel and sound file too. No longer. I have more than I know what to do with. I've had CONCORDE on my HD for 2 years almost and never flown her properly. I had the Piper Cheyenne 400 and forgot all about her for 2 years...! As I type I know I have more stuff I have forgotten about.I am primarily burned out with the PC engineering gig and the tweaking. 10 years of it and I am done-in. I love FS9 just as it is and I love several plane types and sceneries and with 39 pre-developed weather themes for global application, I gots all I needs to have on a humongous PC for MSFS. Five foot wide screens and even a loving (ex-MAS) wife who calls me Captain as she serves tea to me in the cockpit. What more could you ask for ?!Anyway, the sim and the rig, it's all I need and it's still too much ! Ain't no way I am putting even more stuff on to this rig. Spent 3 hours wiring and cabling this past weekend. It all works--it always does--but it's a boatload of work. I've had enough. No more. Never.So, no, the hobby is not at a standstill. There's still masses to get. It's a question of your PoV and where you are and where you see yourself going. Do you want to be a master of FS add-ons or just a simple hobbyist and enjoy some eye candy and a whirl to FL410 and then zip down to landing again? There's a very big diff. I see myself lasting another 3 years with my FS9 setup, doing things real methodically, with a lot of focus and discipline and some child-like excitement (which I DO get, yeah, y'know?!), maybe even longer. I'll collect FSX boxes and line my shelves but likely won't use it.I need a PC engineer, a sim specialist, a test pilot, an administraive dogsbody with a log, and a backup engineer to run everything for me and tweak it and smooth it. Like Cap'n Tarmack used to have !I love this hobby-career but I am always coming to grips with it. Never being quite "there" is the primary reason to continue. You can always do more and do better.JS

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You are right JS. I kind of agree with almost eveyone here. Its just that I need the Ultimate Terrain for FSX and airport sceneries (with custom runway textures). is all.:(I do have a few things to keep me busy in the meantime.. 1. I still have a single 24" widescreen. I am waiting for the ultimate Matrox. 2 X 20" + 1 24" widescreen in the center.2. hook up a second PC with the FSX running wideview for the left view.3. I am in the process of building a cockpit (GA Twin) with Flight Illusion guages. They sent me a few guages (VSI, ASI, Altimeter)..but there some issues with the attitude indicator which they recently solved...but its on backorder. I also need a DG. and I have almost all the avionics h/w that I need TR1 Radio stack and Go flight modules.4. PC. I have that completed...for now.5. I do fly FS9 in all its glory...... But i can do a lot more of that and take all the good advice and fly more in FS9.6. Like Lou said..nothing beats reality. Occasionally I fly for real too. Wish i could do more. so there..Its not all that bad as I originally thought!:)Manny

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Excuse me, but didnt Project Fokker just release a brilliant F-28? Didnt Eric Cantu just release a great Embraer 120 with tons of paint jobs by folks like Steve Drabek and Daniel Halpern? Didnt we just get a FANTASTIC P-51 freebie from Warwick Carter?Dude, cruise the library here, starting with the "Whats New" button.I didnt even include scenery or payware.Eric

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The only excitement recently was the AirlinersXP.Apart from that.. Its pretty much a dead zone. Not many addons for FS9...and not many addons for FSX.Its like being in a holding pattern.IS it just me? I got so addicted to new addons every other week to checkout and purchase. Hopefull the FSX fix would revive the excitement and hopefully they have fixed the Airport texture thing so Fly tampa airport sceneries can run in FSX and or, FS9/FSX sceneries could be developed together.For some reason, I am more excited about sceneries than aircrafts... even though a good PMDG ailiner type aircrafts is exciting.MannyPS Oh yeah.. I forgot about Megascenery. Yeah they are exciting. Maybe I am just greedy!:(

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And what's more......butts are being kicked, people are wearing funny caps with antennae, ATC is listening and talking back, 1st officers are listening too... I hope I can say that something new and different is going on in many areas of this hobby, such as the evaluation of airmanship by our own new add-on. So now you can get *shouted at*, as well...RegardsJeff

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>There's talk of people in our community building a>sim from scratch hopefully on Apple/MAC machines to get of off>this Microsoft rollercoaster. The proposition is to build a>real sim not a sim that really isn't a sim because gamers need>to be interested. Roll on the day that we get a non-gamer orientated flight simulation be it on an Apple/MAC, Windows, or Linux platform. If we can get such an amazingly good simulation as FS9 for $50 what on earth could we get for $100 or $200? Lots of folks would pay this I reckon. Betel

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>IS it just me? I got so addicted to new addons every other>week to checkout and purchase. >Manny>>PS Oh yeah.. I forgot about Megascenery. Yeah they are>exciting. Maybe I am just greedy!No Manny, it's not just you. But you definitely are addicted to the excitement of new add ons and all that entails. Perhaps it would be worth it to try to shift your relationship with it to just enjoy it for what it offers--as is. What if you had no FS at all? Compared to that, using this thing to have a pretty good virtual experience is still a pretty cool thing. Yes, I would like to see the hobby evolve as the hardware improves to the point of true photoreal, but who knows, it may even complete stall if MS decides against further development of FS series.

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