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I know that they have their own forum, but i am looking for a wider, more objective base. I am considering purchasing RC4, is it worth the investment?ThanksTom

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I know that they have their own forum, but i am looking for a wider, more objective base. I am considering purchasing RC4, is it worth the investment?ThanksTom
Without knowing what you are specifically looking for I would say yes.RC4 is a solid product with plenty of good features... \\ Perttu

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I know that they have their own forum, but i am looking for a wider, more objective base. I am considering purchasing RC4, is it worth the investment?ThanksTom
Tom,I'm pretty much a commercial sim pilot and have had every release of RC since the beginning. If there had been no RC and I had to depend on MSFS ATC or something other I would have given up the hobby years ago ...... not an overstatement. It's not perfect but then neither is the sim.JimBob"Master of the Sr. Moment"

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JimBob,Thanks for your reply. I pulled down their manual from theeir Web Site and selectivity read various sections. The software looks like it contains many functions for various portions of a flight. It appears to be straight forward in its presentation and very intutitive. How is it on framerates, will it support the Just Flight AI Traffic 2004 package, and is there any known aircraft packages that it will not handle properly? I have an older computer, 2.4 Ghz, XP Home, 1 Gig of memory, that I set at 20 frames per second and I really have no problem running most appilications. Just interested in what other users have to say about the product.ThanksTom

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The program is not resource hungry at all.However, there is one thing that put me off it of it right away.. no taxi instructions, you just get a 'Taxi to Runway xx' and thats it. But thats just me, I'm a charts freak and I swore I will never use the Progressive Taxi thing :(

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I looked into getting RC some time back (maybe two years ago or so) and what made me not buy it was the fact that many callsigns were not pronounced. I have so much AI traffic and not hearing callsigns would be a big drawback, and the same problem would have applied if I myself were flying an airline whose callsign is not included in the pack.There seemed to be no such think as EditVoicePack that would allow me to edit and add callsigns to RC. If there was that edit / add function, I wouldn't hesitate. From what I read in the manual, it looked like an absolutely phantastic product.If things have changed since I last checked, i.e. if there is now a much larger set of callsigns and new ones can easily be added, please let me know.

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Spring through the fall I fly GA aircraft. The winter months I fly the heavies (Minnesota based and there is only so much snow that you can watch). Started flying the GA's again last night and took a flight from KLVN to KRWF. This is a flight of about 85 nms, 35 minutes. Redwood Falls Muni is almost directly west of Airlake. I took off on runway 30 and was directed by the FS9 ATC to turn east towards the Farmington VOR. The VOR is 2.5 nms east from Airlake, but not a real deal breaker based on my flight plan (I should have checked the FS9 flight plan and removed the first waypoint). Instead of turning me at the VOR, it had me go another 12-15 nms to the east before directing me towards KRFW.Its the round the world tours that you seem to get from the FS9 ATC when you fly IFR that has me looking for a replacement ATC manager.Tom

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Do also have a look at PFE. It's a very strong competitor to RC with loads of outstanding features, like regional accents, VFR support and continuous free updates.They have a support forum right here in Avsim.

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Jet1,I am sorry but I am uncertain what PFE stands for?Tom

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I've been using RC4 since last summer and wouldn't fly without it. However it is mostly good for just IFR flights and not really for VFR flights.

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Jet1,I'll take a look at it. I have and I also like a number of the Aerosoft products.ThanksTom

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PFE is good for realistic taxi/ATC and vectoring... but it's got issues with SID/STARs which I've discussed with the developer. I don't know if RC4 can follow SID/STARs as well or not since I don't own a copy.

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PFE is good for realistic taxi/ATC and vectoring... but it's got issues with SID/STARs which I've discussed with the developer. I don't know if RC4 can follow SID/STARs as well or not since I don't own a copy.
HiAre you referring to the post you made in the PFE forum? Did you complete the discussion by email or something, as I read through it and found no conclusion.What you described in it didn't really seem like a problem with the software. I've found that PFE handles STARs just fine if you want to use them.

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RC4 will follow SIDs and STARs prtovided the waypoints are in the flight plan you load into RC.For SIDS, unless you choose otherwise, RC will vector you to line you up to navigate to the first waypoint if it is more than 30 nm out. If closer you will be expected to navigate on your own to that first waypoint.Regarding STARs you will be expected as part of your plan to cross those waypoints (which must be in the plan). When you are just inside 40 nm Approach will contact you and tell you what runway to expect and give additional commands. Acknowledge those and if you don't want vectors to the final intercept request an IAP approach and you then can do your own navigation.

PFE is good for realistic taxi/ATC and vectoring... but it's got issues with SID/STARs which I've discussed with the developer. I don't know if RC4 can follow SID/STARs as well or not since I don't own a copy.

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I don't go above 8000ft without it. I also use Ultimate Traffic 2004 with the latest timetable data, and most if not all callsigns are pronounced correctly. Just flew from Budapest to Palagona (?), and heard BA, Aeroflot, Air France and a couple of others.Cheers, SLuggy

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I have been using RC4 and I like it. But there is one very big draw back in my opinion that you may want to consider.You have to run it as a seperate program once you start FS9. So you have to go to window mode, then start RC4, load the plan into RC4 and start, then reopen FS9 back to full screen. I find this a bother.And unfortunatley it freezes FS9 during the transition a lot of the time. There may be a fix for this, but I have not found it yet.The other way to run it is using widefs with a second computer, but since its running on the second computer the sound for RC4 will have to come from that computers speakers. So if you want to fly with headphones on your main pc, you wont be able to hear RC4 unless you use external speakers, which defeats the reason for using headphones?Over all, it's ok. It's better than the default atc. But having to run it externally and the potential crashing should be considered.

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I have been using RC4 and I like it. But there is one very big draw back in my opinion that you may want to consider.You have to run it as a seperate program once you start FS9. So you have to go to window mode, then start RC4, load the plan into RC4 and start, then reopen FS9 back to full screen. I find this a bother.And unfortunatley it freezes FS9 during the transition a lot of the time. There may be a fix for this, but I have not found it yet.The other way to run it is using widefs with a second computer, but since its running on the second computer the sound for RC4 will have to come from that computers speakers. So if you want to fly with headphones on your main pc, you wont be able to hear RC4 unless you use external speakers, which defeats the reason for using headphones?Over all, it's ok. It's better than the default atc. But having to run it externally and the potential crashing should be considered.
if you use widefs, get a pair of audio cables, run them from the widefs machines' sound card's out jack to the fs machine's sound card's input jack. then your rc sound will come out of the fs machine's sound card.

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Hi Jd,I tried that and it doesnt work on my card - SoundBlaster XFi.. I have my mic going into the only input jack on the card. I tried to use a splitter but that would not work for some reason. I use the mic for voice buddy commands, etc. I guess if you don't use a mic, then it would work

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Here's my 2 cents...I do a lot of flights with Jets, and find Radar Contact 4 to be indispensable.Pro's:- Realistic handling of ATC procedures, including regional variations, differing Transition Altitudes in different countries.- Vectors to final will set you up for an ILS intercept WITHOUT sending you halfway across the country...- The option to fly a SID (Standard Instrument Departure), with or without ATC dictating the intermediate altitudes.- Has options to deal with deviations for turbulence or weather.- I've never had any performance problems or perceptible frame rate hit.- Support online is EXCELLENT. The RC folks on the avsim forum are almost unfailingly patient with the questions/problem reports people post there. Even when the questions have been done to death in the past...- It's a really really good program for IFR ATC!Con's:- If you want to follow a STAR, you have to build it into you initial flight plan. This can be tricky if your STAR is coupled to a specific runway and you use dynamic weather... OTOH you can fly a Full plate approach (IAP approach) at your own discretion once you are handed over to approach at 50 nm from the airport, which means you can pretty much do as you please...- You have to be careful about talking to ATC as you pass waypoints of your flightplan. RC4 will sometimes fail to notice that you've crossed a waypoint and send you back... This can be worked around by asking for Direct to the next waypoint, but it can be irritating...- No VFR ATC.- It will only keep AI traffic out of your way when you're on tower frequency. The rest of the time you'll have to watch for traffic yourself. There are utilities out there that can help with this (AI Smooth for example)Not so much a con as a fact:- It has a moderately steep learning curve. Do fly the tutorial flights and do read the manual, and do search the avsim forum before thinking your procedural problem is a bug...- Just like real ATC, it will ask you to decend or ascend when it suits ATC, not when your fancy FMC (Flight management computer) says you should. This might cause you to rethink your flight strategies :(Summary:I consider Radar Contact to be a must have program. If you're more into GA VFR flight, you might disagree. And the few relatively minor problems in no way drag down a really excellent product. Radar Contact 5 is already on my wish list, even though it's not on the market yet (and JD, if you read this, please stick to your release practices and only put it on sale when it's done! I'm convinced that's one of the reasons RC4 is such a great product!)

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Most runway specific SIDs and STARs have common waypoints you can build into the flight plan. You can elect to fly a "Flex DP" which allows you to navigate to the first waypoint on your own especially if you have to SID in your navigation system. Similarly you can elect an IAP after acking the first approach instruction ignoring it and requesting it during your arrival.If you click on the RC tag below it will take you (I hope) to the jdtllc.com site. You'll find a comparative feature list and in the download section you can get the full RC 4.3 manual in .pdf format. No matter what ATC you decide on I think you'll find the tutorials informative.

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Ok, I purchased RC4 and my first impressions are:- What a GREAT Support team. For some reason I was having a problem with my email so that I did not receive the code. JD took care of the problems quickly and followed on my results. Great support can be hard to hard, but this team is first class.- The manual is 290 pages. The actual operation of the program to veteran flight simmers should not be a problem. The manual is very straight forward. Good tutorials, appears that alot of effort was put into the tutorials so that most issues that you may encounter from the various FS9 airports, and airfields are addressed.- Easy on frame rates.- Add-on sound packages available at this site.- Although I have only flow a couple of flights, this is a large step above the default FS9 ATC.- JD, thanks again for your help.Tom

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RCV4. One of my favourite addons for FS9. Excellent support if needed and I have just added the Meatwater voicepack update which imo makes it even better.

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The developers are very quick to take your money, but don't seem to put as much effort into sending the activation code, so be prepared to wait, I've been waiting now over 24hours!!!...........how difficult is it???

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The developers are very quick to take your money, but don't seem to put as much effort into sending the activation code, so be prepared to wait, I've been waiting now over 24hours!!!...........how difficult is it???
not difficult at all. all key requests received in the last 24 hours have been processed. not sure why you are having a problem.your first key request was received at 9:32am my local time, from a different email address than you gave at the time of purchase.a second key request was received at 9:34am my local time, from the email address that you entered at the time of purchaseyour key request was processed at 9:46am local time(per my log: Success @ 3/31/2009 9:46:18 AM (-1272040146) KILLOHCAECNCCECBLNGLEHLGIQNQKADB)as you see, you only has to wait 12 minutes for your key.i think you meant to say "you haven't received your key". which is a far cry from your statement "The developers are very quick to take your money, but don't seem to put as much effort into sending the activation code, so be prepared to wait, I've been waiting now over 24hours!!!...........how difficult is it?"check your junk mail folder, check your spam filters to make sure you aren't classifying my emails to you as junk email, contact your isp regarding them not delivering email that "they" think is junk mail.jd

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