I've been watching a lot of aviation videos lately, many of people landing their GA's right as the stall horn starts going of. I've been in a few planes with friends and they do the same relatively easy. Now when I try that in the sim, it never really quite works out that way. Usually if I try it my pitch ends up being so high from trying to keep the plane flying until the very end before the horn goes off that it usually ends up with a 10+ pitch and a possible tail strike. I've tried this with the dreamfleet baron 58, Carenado 172, 206, and probably some others. Is this a problem with FS or my technique?

First, MSFS does not a a good job of modeling aerodynamics. I'll also bet money that MSFS has never heard of "ground effect". If your friends, on a very infrequent occassion, happen to land as the stall warning goes off, in a no wind situation, I suppose that's okay, but note the words "very infrequent". If they do it regularly, I would suggest you never fly with them again. Again aerodynamic modeling in MSFS is a joke.db.

First, MSFS does not a a good job of modeling aerodynamics. I'll also bet money that MSFS has never heard of "ground effect". If your friends, on a very infrequent occassion, happen to land as the stall warning goes off, in a no wind situation, I suppose that's okay, but note the words "very infrequent". If they do it regularly, I would suggest you never fly with them again. Again aerodynamic modeling in MSFS is a joke.db.

What are you talking about? Touching down as the stall warning goes off is perfectly fine in small piston planes.As far as duplicating that in MSFS, it would probably be hard because the stall warning horn in real GA planes will sound several knots prior to the stall. A perfect landing in a small GA plane would have the horn just starting to sound as you touch down. In MSFS, the stall message only triggers when below the stall speed set in the flight dynamics.

First, MSFS does not a a good job of modeling aerodynamics. I'll also bet money that MSFS has never heard of "ground effect".If your friends, on a very infrequent occassion, happen to land as the stall warning goes off, in a no wind situation, I suppose that's okay, but note the words "very infrequent". If they do it regularly, I would suggest you never fly with them again. Again aerodynamic modeling in MSFS is a joke.db.

I'll take that bet. I can point out where ground effect is referenced in the AIR file SDK. I never said the ground effect was realistic, but I'll still take that bet.

What are you talking about? Touching down as the stall warning goes off is perfectly fine in small piston planes.As far as duplicating that in MSFS, it would probably be hard because the stall warning horn in real GA planes will sound several knots prior to the stall. A perfect landing in a small GA plane would have the horn just starting to sound as you touch down. In MSFS, the stall message only triggers when below the stall speed set in the flight dynamics.

I agree with this.This is exactly what my instructor showed me many years ago. The last 8-10 seconds before wheels down, he had the stall warning buzzing and told me that this is what I should be working towards for perfect landings. Obviously, this was not 20-30 feet above the runway, but down in ground effect and a smooth flare.

First, MSFS does not a a good job of modeling aerodynamics. ................... Again aerodynamic modeling in MSFS is a joke.

Oh really...............If that was the case, I'd have dumped MSFS many years ago. While some addon's for MSFS have very good flight dynamics (not total perfection, but very believable), even some defaults are rather good. And BTW------------ I could only wish that X-Plane really had the aerodynamic model it brags about. Unfortunately, in most cases, it does not...L.Adamson

FWIW ------------- All GA don't land the same.It's either the Cirrus, or the Columbia 400's ( Now Cessna something or other) that recommends a flatter landing attitude. Perhaps it's both. But never the less, it's not the same for all. Same with tail draggers. Some do better with wheel landings, while others are full stall landings, or somewhere in between.And BTW----------------- I've never heard a stall warning while landing my plane. It doesn't have one.... :( L.Adamson

As far as duplicating that in MSFS, it would probably be hard because the stall warning horn in real GA planes will sound several knots prior to the stall. A perfect landing in a small GA plane would have the horn just starting to sound as you touch down. In MSFS, the stall message only triggers when below the stall speed set in the flight dynamics.

BINGO!!! :( FS's dynamics is decent enough (although the dynamics stink when practicing cross wind landings) to get a good feel of what it's really like. As long as you have the proper controls along with TrackIR FS9 is rather good. I couldn't explain it better than Kevin as to what's going on with the stall horn in FS so I'll leave it at that...

Hey dick,bloom...please refrain from giving answers to something you apparently don't know about. :(

What are you talking about? Touching down as the stall warning goes off is perfectly fine in small piston planes.As far as duplicating that in MSFS, it would probably be hard because the stall warning horn in real GA planes will sound several knots prior to the stall. A perfect landing in a small GA plane would have the horn just starting to sound as you touch down. In MSFS, the stall message only triggers when below the stall speed set in the flight dynamics.

That's a good point. I had a feeling that the horn was going off way to late in FS. Is there any way to tweak when exactly it goes off?

Hey dick,bloom...please refrain from giving answers to something you apparently don't know about. :( That's a good point. I had a feeling that the horn was going off way to late in FS. Is there any way to tweak when exactly it goes off?

You can try changing the stall speeds in the reference speeds section of the aircraft.cfg for starters. If that doesn't provide the desired result or result in something bad, then you may have to go deeper into the actual airfile.

Actually, I do know what I'm talking about, however, I'm not going to argue the point. I've seen pilots who fly for airlines, including myself, comment concerning discrepencies about some of the better pay-ware a/c, and invariably, some simmer comes on crying saying "it flies just like the real airplane". I've seen simmers argue techniques with pilots who actually fly the real airplane. MSFS doesn't even model CG correctly in its basic code. But if you have fun with FS, and I do, and if you believe its real, which I know otherwise, then have fun. :( db.

First, MSFS does not a a good job of modeling aerodynamics. I'll also bet money that MSFS has never heard of "ground effect". If your friends, on a very infrequent occassion, happen to land as the stall warning goes off, in a no wind situation, I suppose that's okay, but note the words "very infrequent". If they do it regularly, I would suggest you never fly with them again. Again aerodynamic modeling in MSFS is a joke.db.

You are totally wrong. EVERY GA flight instructor will command that you hold the aircraft off of the runway until the stall horn sounds before putting the main gear down. It is standard practice and I do it every time in my 172, on every single landing wind or no wind. Another practice is to hold the yoke back after nose wheel touchdown to keep pressure off of the nose gear because in many aircraft the nose wheel can start to wobble like a shopping cart. If you don't know this, then quite frankly, you've never flown in the real world. This is taught to you on your very first intro flight. Obviously, you don't want the stall horn going off in turbo props or jets, but in your small GA aircraft with tricycle gear (I've never flown a tail dragger so I can't speak for those guys)...this is standard practice.As far as aerodynamics, I agree with one point, FS does NOT model ground effect very well at all as far as I can tell (especially evident in large airliners none of which settle into ground effect - and I've never had to take GE into consideration in regards to a premature takeoff where you leave the ground before Vr), but FS DOES model aerodynamics pretty well which is why properly modeled aircraft can be flown exactly by the numbers. I can't speak for the default FS aircraft when always have been notorious for lackluster modeling.

Actually, I do know what I'm talking about, however, I'm not going to argue the point. I've seen pilots who fly for airlines, including myself, comment concerning discrepencies about some of the better pay-ware a/c, and invariably, some simmer comes on crying saying "it flies just like the real airplane". I've seen simmers argue techniques with pilots who actually fly the real airplane. MSFS doesn't even model CG correctly in its basic code. But if you have fun with FS, and I do, and if you believe its real, which I know otherwise, then have fun. :( db.

I fly for real and FS9 is outstanding on days where I can't get into the air in real life. You can argue technicalities all you want but when it all comes together I get pretty much at home what I get in the real world. I'm hearing pretty good things from some Delta pilots I know about add-ons like Leonardo's Maddog 2008 project. If my GA experience is any marker Airliner proficiency can be had with a detailed add-on like the aforementioned Maddog or PMDG's work. Yes in FS you can land a GA plane like an airliner but you can also practice proper technique with great results. What FS doesn't model correctly is slips so when practicing cross wind landings you do the best you can before going up in the real world. Even with this deficiency the payware SF260 gives you pretty good bang for your buck. Another thing that's of no concern in FS is holding your ailerons a certain direction during taxi depending on winds on the ground (if you have a slightly high wind condition). Without practicing this at home you can forget in the real world at times. Outside of that FS9 is a great aid that I would take any day over what we had at home before (nothing). I'll go as far as to say that's under valuing FS when you base it on nothing. All the other sim options out there don't do a good enough job all around like FS9 does. We can throw X-Plane into that bunch as well... What we have at our fingertips today would cost thousands of dollars just a few short years ago especially with the fluid performance we get in FS9 today. I'm pretty sure you could find issue with multi-million dollar sims as well as no sim is going to totally represent the real world in every detail.

I haven't been able to sound the stall warning in any of my landings with the default 172. I am currently taking the lessons. (ha! I figured after six years in this hobby it was about time I learned how to fly the darn thing! :)But I can't get that horn to blow. Do you think if I replace the 172 with a better model, like a payware 172, I would get better results?Clutch

I haven't been able to sound the stall warning in any of my landings with the default 172. I am currently taking the lessons. (ha! I figured after six years in this hobby it was about time I learned how to fly the darn thing! :)But I can't get that horn to blow. Do you think if I replace the 172 with a better model, like a payware 172, I would get better results?Clutch

I don't believe there is an actual horn sound in the default C172. In MSFS, there is only the stall text message in the corner of the screen for the default planes. Some addon aircraft, like the Feelthere ERJ, will give you the stick shaker sound while approaching the stall.