...the MD11 sales were less than satisfactory.

the MD11 being long haul airliner is the reason the plane isn't in my hanger. just no time to enjoy such an addon with my limited simming time ... which may be why PMDG's sales are not 'as high as' expected.the various 'surveys' about FS shows anywhere from a 50/50 split between FS9 and FSX being used as the 'primary sim'; to FS9 still holding a slight lead. (these survey are un-scientific as all are based on pesons who happen to visit forums and choose to answer the survey.)add the fact that the MD11 is EXTREAMLY complicated ... you loose a lot of those 'kick the tires and light the fires' types.--

the MD11 being long haul airliner is the reason the plane isn't in my hanger. just no time to enjoy such an addon with my limited simming time ... which may be why PMDG's sales are not 'as high as' expected.

Actually, I'm sure they were fine given the context. No one knows the exact sales figures, but even if they only sold a quarter of the MD11s they had sold for FSX, the reasons for that are numerous. The FSX version was first to the market, I can't remember how much of a headstart it had, but it was significant. Secondly, most people who bought it for FSX didn't buy it for FS9, given the shockingly ridiculous pricing structre. A lot were turned off by FSX performance, thus deciding not to purchase the FS9 version based on that. Finally, there was far more competition in the FS9 airliner segment than there was in FSX, which had been devoid of decent airliner products at the time, hence people bought the MD11 just to have something to fly. I'm sure there are more reasons than those, but...as an old Polish saying goes, if you want to hit a dog, you will always find a stick.

the various 'surveys' about FS shows anywhere from a 50/50 split between FS9 and FSX being used as the 'primary sim'; to FS9 still holding a slight lead. (these survey are un-scientific as all are based on pesons who happen to visit forums and choose to answer the survey.)

Which is exactly why they are meaningless, I have to give credit where it's due, market data is much more convincing.

add the fact that the MD11 is EXTREAMLY complicated ... you loose a lot of those 'kick the tires and light the fires' types.

Oh I don't know about that. I can get her going from cold and dark in under 15 minutes (including 10 minute IRS aling time). I do very short hops on her all the time, hauling cargo from Cologne all over Europe, most block to block times are under 2 hours :)

the MD11 being long haul airliner is the reason the plane isn't in my hanger. just no time to enjoy such an addon with my limited simming time ... which may be why PMDG's sales are not 'as high as' expected.

So true. When you look at lower sales for FS9, you also have to consider that:-Both the 744 and 737NG have been on the market for several years. Most FS9 users already have them.-As well simulated as the MD-11 is, it is an orphan aircraft. Very few carriers still operate them, with most routes being cargo. The number of simmers that fly the correct aircraft on the real routes is a big chunk of the community.

I have to give it to you guys about the MD11, your right on the money... The MD11 being a long hauler, those that already had it for FSX didn't buy it for FS9, and the variety in FS9 versus just having something decent to fly in FSX. All this played a factor and you guys spelled it out correctly. Now if any of this has a barring on the NGX for FS9 (especially Aerosoft) that's truly shameful. Aerosoft hates FS9 and I can just imagine which way that advice is going to swing..

Oh I don't know about that. I can get her going from cold and dark in under 15 minutes (including 10 minute IRS aling time).

for the majority of FS users a 15minute startup time is WAY to long ... i get a good number of folks that do not wish to the the FMS systems on feelThere aircraft and want to know why the GPS can't control the planes.--

i should agree with dilloll0. to begin, let me make something clear: FS9 will die someday but right now it's still alive. those who enjoy their FSX experience can continue to do so but don't try to bury FS9 alive! the used argument by many FSX fans is the decline in FS9 sales. that's expected because everyone has got already what he wants in terms of addons for his FS9 and now he's looking for their FSX equivalent. also by the recent trend of some developers to offer FSX only products, it is obvious that FS9 sales should decline. actually there is no FS9 version, so the whole comparison FS9 vs FSX is void. the ultimate point is the following: the sales figures should not be considered as a prediction of the use of one simulator against the other. back to the topic of this thread. PMDG made their J41 FSX only to explore new technologies in preparation for the NGX (that's what they said) that can't be implemented in FS9. so here FSX beats FS9. is it possible to have an FS9 J41 with all the main features functioning? the answer is yes but it won't be a 100% replica of FSX. it will depend then on a particular simmer whether the little sacrifice in detail is marginal for him or not. note how till now we still enjoy flying the PMDG 747, MD11, LDS 767 without a weather radar. did anybody feel that realism was dumped? i don't think so.

for the majority of FS users a 15minute startup time is WAY to long ... i get a good number of folks that do not wish to the the FMS systems on feelThere aircraft and want to know why the GPS can't control the planes.--

Well... then the JS41 sure wouldn't have many users in an FS9 version.. that's definitely NOT a "start & go" aircraft... even advanced users had a very steep learning curve with the JS41. It has an FMC that needs to be programmed, a complicated and "touchy" engine set-up that requires great care when starting and a lot of systems monitoring once you're airborne.I don't see very many takers for a sim aircraft of this complexity... add to that the fact that it is a "VC Only" aircraft.So really...what would it benefit PMDG to make an FS9 version? Not much at all... the return on their investment would be negligible.

If PMDG releases the NGX for FS9 all these doom and gloom predictions concerning FS9 will be put to rest. The NGX is one product all of us using FS9 will rally to embrace. Even if we have dual installs the performance benefit of the NGX in FS9 versus what many will get in FSX will be like night and day. So many are rediscovering FS9 after the Airsimmer release. The whole concept of fighting stutters, long initial sim load times, and framerate issues is a non issue when going back to FS9 and many are seeing this. Airsimmer actually did more good being released in the Basic version than I once thought. It started a healthy discussion again about enjoying a sim versus fighting a sim. I believe PMDG will do the right thing for the reasons outlined here. The MD11 was not a good marker as to the potential success of the NGX based solely on the type of aircraft it is. Now Airsimmer's Advanced model would be a better marker for them and concerning Aerosoft they need to leave that advice alone. Aerosoft want's everyone on one sim because that makes is easier on them. If they ever get that 2012 sim of their released they'll jump ship on FSX and start talking down about that like their doing FS9 today...

If PMDG releases the NGX for FS9 all these doom and gloom predictions concerning FS9 will be put to rest. The NGX is one product all of us using FS9 will rally to embrace. Even if we have dual installs the performance benefit of the NGX in FS9 versus what many will get in FSX will be like night and day. So many are rediscovering FS9 after the Airsimmer release. The whole concept of fighting stutters, long initial sim load times, and framerate issues is a non issue when going back to FS9 and many are seeing this. Airsimmer actually did more good being released in the Basic version than I once thought. It started a healthy discussion again about enjoying a sim versus fighting a sim. I believe PMDG will do the right thing for the reasons outlined here. The MD11 was not a good marker as to the potential success of the NGX based solely on the type of aircraft it is. Now Airsimmer's Advanced model would be a better marker for them and concerning Aerosoft they need to leave that advice alone. Aerosoft want's everyone on one sim because that makes is easier on them. If they ever get that 2012 sim of their released they'll jump ship on FSX and start talking down about that like their doing FS9 today...

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

If they don't make it for FS9, I probably won't buy it. On my current comp, I just can't get adequate FSX performance. I'll go fly the old NG or the FeelThere 737.

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

Shrug it off and walk away !I have too much money invested in FS9, to even contemplate buying what I have for FS9 again for FSX just makes me shudder :( THAT is what stops me from switching to FSX , not hardware issues .Mark

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

I'll continue to fly all the other first-rate airliners I have in FS9, and once I upgrade to Win 7 64-bit, I'll buy the PMDG MD-11 too, as the out-of-memory problem is the only thing keeping me from it at this point. The extensive virtual world I have in FS9 is too good to abandon anytime in the near future.

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

Fly the Majestic Dash 8,drink a cold beer,and laugh at PMDG for making that decision,and ponder about whether PMDG'll be in business still the day I get the urge to fly a big big plane for 8 hours.Then realize I should cut down on the cold beer consumption.Then fly the Majestic Dash 8 some more.cheersJP.

Just out of curiosity... what are you going to do if PMDG decides NOT to do an FS9 version of the NGX? It is a very real possibility and I'm just curious what the diehard FS9'ers will do if they decide against it...

What everyone else just said... :(

Nowt to do with PMDG's JS41 or 737 .....but just a thought about FSX. I recently bought a very nice Ibiza scenery for FS9.Of course Mr Kok is the first to say the FSX version is a whopping 1GB! and the FS9 vers a measly 100Mb.Well I have the opposite reaction to massive file sizes to Mr Kok!...... I like to FLY!I don't want massive files for my aircraft textures/ VC's/airports or anything that bogs down my computer! I am not a screenshot artist I am a virtual pilot. (who has hundreds of addon airports....and wants hundreds more for FS9!)Granted the GA pilots will want the definition the FSX may provide but for someone who likes complex heavies. no thankyou.Schiphol X? .....airport only please.LuxembourgX?.....airport only please.Having said that Fly Tampa have a license to do what ever they like ....Kai Tak is simply a masterpiece........waaaay of topic here so I'll finish with I love my PMDG 737, I will be flying FS9 for a very long time! :(