Some good feedback guys, and we appreciate all comments, which help us make pricing decisions moving forward.Yes, our stuff tends to be 'premium' priced, but then again, we never stop at the airport fence boundaries either. Every one of our airports includes at least 50km sq of high quality, full annotated, and often custom-modeled photoreal scenery. In some cases this can be as large as 200km sq. We often include the nearby town and any POI features and nav points in the circuit. In this way, the airports are a great self-contained GA/VFR experience and tool. We like to ensure that all approach vectors and the circuit is included as part of each airport; it just makes the immersion a bit more real, if you know what I mean.We'll certainly be reviewing our pricing structure on all our products as an ongoing exercise.

Unfortunately the sad thing I am getting from this thread is that is doesn't matter what is included in the scenery, it's the price point that determines a purchase, so orbx (or any other design company) might as well start cutting back on design time, resources and features since the extra time involved in creating these additions won't help in creating a sale. I hope I am wrong though as I LOVE the detail orbx is bringing to FSX and want it to continue..

Just a note about pricing (all prices in Australian dollars).I originally purchased the four Australian sceneries from ORBX (I live in Australia so these obviously have more relevance to me). These originally cost $30 each. I also picked up Coffs Harbour for $30.PNW comes out and it is $55. There's no way my internet connection can handle a 4GB+ download so I have to get the DVD version ($65) plus shipping ($10, that's a bit pricey!).Total cost for PNW for me would be $75. That's 2 and half times the price I paid for an Australian region plus I knew by looking at the PNW coverage map there was no way that ORBX would cover NA (or even the USA) in 4 region packs like they did for Australia. I see there are something like another 4 regions for NA planned and they cover the west coast only. How many region packs would be needed to cover the USA and Canada?. 5 x $75 = $375 and an ORBX north america is starting to look just a bit too pricey for me (I haven't even started counting any airports yet).Purely because of price I had decided to give PNW a miss. It was only because pcaviator had a sale on over Easter that I decided to get PNW. Total cost from pcaviator was $65. Still a bit steep but I was probably too weak from eating so much chocolate. Mmmmmm, chocolate.If future regions of NA will cost me $75 I think I will have to avoid it. I can save my money and spend it on the ORBX New Zealand regions instead.This sale is good news though. I may just pick up Jandakot

For the guys in the U.S, you can thank us aussies and others for buying all of the ORBX stuff so far, you now have PNW and other U.S regions coming.I would like to buy PNW but due to a lack of time I know I won't use it, any time I do have is spent flying with ORBX scenery around Australia. So yes, I think people prefer to fly areas they know. Although when ORBX build a large mass of scenery for U.S west coast and some major airports I might start flying PMDG737NG or PMDG 777 around that area.Looking at what people waste there money on and the cost of real flying, I don't think the scenery is over priced. I would prefer the quality to stay at the same level.

I would like to buy PNW but due to a lack of time I know I won't use it, any time I do have is spent flying with ORBX scenery around Australia. So yes, I think people prefer to fly areas they know. Although when ORBX build a large mass of scenery for U.S west coast and some major airports I might start flying PMDG737NG or PMDG 777 around that area.Looking at what people waste there money on and the cost of real flying, I don't think the scenery is over priced. I would prefer the quality to stay at the same level.

I agree. I bought two orbx Austalia areas and Ystw because I wanted to see cutting edge scenery (I can't remember exactly which areas-does anyone else find the color coding confusing?). However, I have to admit after a few uses of oohs and ahhs I haven't gone back. Since I am unfamilair and will probably never fly there it just has not much interest for me-despite how good it is..Pnw-different story. I've flown out there, and have an urgency to do so in the sim. Any add on airports in that area will be devoured by me.So I agree-people prefer to fly the areas they know. ..and I'll quote your second sentence verbatum which I also agree with 100%.."Looking at what people waste their money on and the cost of real flying, I don't think the scenery is over priced..I know few bargains in life that match this stuff..

More good feedback, excellent!We are changing our DVD pricing to only pass on our actual production costs of the shrink-wrapped DVD (currently about AU$2-3 depending on volume), so that means we'll be offering the DVD versions without any real cost penalty. We're finding that it's unfair to penalise someone because have a limited internet bandwith, so let's make it more attactive to purchase the DVDs.

Unfortunately the sad thing I am getting from this thread is that is doesn't matter what is included in the scenery, it's the price point that determines a purchase, so orbx (or any other design company) might as well start cutting back on design time, resources and features since the extra time involved in creating these additions won't help in creating a sale. I hope I am wrong though as I LOVE the detail orbx is bringing to FSX and want it to continue..

I know this wasn't only directed at my post, but I don't really think that's a fair representation of what anyone has said here. What people have said is that, for them personally, at a certain price point it doesn't matter how much value you're getting, because it's simply more than they can afford. To take this to an extreme, I'm pretty confident that there is some point--only you know exactly where--at which, regardless of how much work and how much quality is packed into an add-on, you simply won't pay any higher amount of money. If someone came out with a magic scenery that added incredible detail all around the world at no FPS cost (so we're talking near-infinite quality and feature) but priced it at $500,000, would you buy it? No doubt there is some fabulously wealthy simmer out there for whom money is no object who would; maybe even more than one. But clearly, regardless of the quality there, there's a limit to what (the vast, vast majority of) people will pay.I think what you're misunderstanding is that that's not the same as saying that there's no positive correlation between quality and sales, even when price is factored in. I've said, for example, that I'm very reluctant to spend more than $20 on an airport scenery. But many FS enthusiasts ARE willing to spend more than that, and for them, quality is going to be important in determining who gets that money. And for add-ons that are more expensive than typical for their type, I am willing to spend the extra money--up to a point, again--if the quality is high enough. That certainly goes for Orbx, whose quality is not in doubt. I'm saying that the price is right at or beyond the point at which high quality can justify a purchase, for me.Another point I wanted to make that I'm pretty sure Orbx understands (given this sale, among other things), but some people posting in this thread might not agree on, is that at a certain point in time after a product has been on the market (and this goes for many types of product, not just software), there's a potentially great upside for the seller to reducing the price. Once most people who are willing to buy the product at a higher price point have already bought it, you're left with a pool of potential buyers at the lower price point. Sure, you lose higher-price sales from people who are willing to pay but who haven't heard about the product, didn't need it, or who didn't have the money before and do now, etc. But particularly with the market for FS addons, and given Orbx's well-deserved fame, I would have to guess that that's has been a rapidly dwindling pool of people from day one. Obviously, I don't have access to the sales figures and market research that Orbx does, but I think the primary uncertainty here for them is twofold: 1) what is the number of people who would buy at some lower price point, and 2) what is the lower pricepoint that maximizes revenue?So the purpose of my original post was to add my voice as a data point for Orbx, saying that I would definitely buy the combined Australia DVD at a lower price, and that, for me, that price does not even have to be that much lower for me to purchase. The plural of anecdote is not data, but that's my voice on this.

More good feedback, excellent!We are changing our DVD pricing to only pass on our actual production costs of the shrink-wrapped DVD (currently about AU$2-3 depending on volume), so that means we'll be offering the DVD versions without any real cost penalty. We're finding that it's unfair to penalise someone because have a limited internet bandwith, so let's make it more attactive to purchase the DVDs.

Jon,As someone with (sharply!) limited monthly bandwidth, that's great to hear.James

I never thought I'd be comparing what I'm reading here to what is happening in my DJ Industry - customers are shopping primarily based on "PRICE" and not on the "VALUE" that they will receive for their money.If you're looking for a better price, then shop for the lowest price and don't complain if the value is not there. Quality is scarce. Scarcity = higher price.There are customer out there who do want/need quality and are willing to pay for the quality they want/need.Lastly, no matter how you put, you get what you pay for! That's if you buy based on quality. FTX/Orbx, IMHO, is quality and I'm willing to pay for it.Those who proclaim that they offer a high quality product or service for a reasonable price are only fooling themselves. NOT ME!

I never thought I'd be comparing what I'm reading here to what is happening in my DJ Industry - customers are shopping primarily based on "PRICE" and not on the "VALUE" that they will receive for their money.

Customers make purchasing decisions based on a variety of reasons, and significant among them I'm sure is their perception of there personal budget for the type of purchase considered. I could buy the pinnacle of automotive engineering, I could afford to that is, but it's too much money relative to how I value the car. It's not about one or the other, price OR value, it's about BOTH, and that varies by individual, and there are trends amoungst the group as a whole. The question was posed, at what price point to does ORBX AND the simming community do the best, and of course I am defining that as max profits, AND perhaps maximizing exposure as in the number of copies installed. I question the current price point with regard to these two criteria. For some reason, the argument continues to get skewed to defend the quality of ORBX products relative to other products. I'm not even saying there is for certain a better price point, I just have a suspicion there is, based on how dedicated a simmer I am, and how much money I am willing to spend for scenery, no matter what the quality, and wonder how many others are in the same sector. My prediction is, the price point for ORBX products will most definitely go down, it's just a matter of when. Noel

As long as we're discussing ORBX's pricing policies, and as long as ORBX seems interested in hearing our opinions, I'll throw my two cents in. I like pairs of airports. Most of my favorite scenery addons (FlyTampa's St Maarten, for example) include more than one closely spaced high detail airport. I will likely pick up Warnervale and Aeropelican (what a fantastic name!) together with this sale. I think buy-two-together discounts are a great idea, although I must admit I didn't take advantage of the Warnervale/Aeropelican deal that was run for a while. Personally, where GA-centric airports are concerned, I'm more likely to pay $40 for two or three airports than I am to pay $15-$20 for one.

As long as we're discussing ORBX's pricing policies, and as long as ORBX seems interested in hearing our opinions, I'll throw my two cents in. I like pairs of airports. Most of my favorite scenery addons (FlyTampa's St Maarten, for example) include more than one closely spaced high detail airport. I will likely pick up Warnervale and Aeropelican (what a fantastic name!) together with this sale. I think buy-two-together discounts are a great idea, although I must admit I didn't take advantage of the Warnervale/Aeropelican deal that was run for a while. Personally, where GA-centric airports are concerned, I'm more likely to pay $40 for two or three airports than I am to pay $15-$20 for one.

That's a good point, and one we should investigate further. I remember enjoying the Georender sceneries in FS8/9, and part of that was because there were two new airports to fly between. In a sense, you didn't just get a single airport, you got a new route.

That's a good point, and one we should investigate further. I remember enjoying the Georender sceneries in FS8/9, and part of that was because there were two new airports to fly between. In a sense, you didn't just get a single airport, you got a new route.

[cough] Olympia, Shelton, Gig Harbor [cough] and I'd even help you with some on-the-ground pictures of Oly :(

As long as we're discussing ORBX's pricing policies, and as long as ORBX seems interested in hearing our opinions, I'll throw my two cents in. I like pairs of airports. Most of my favorite scenery addons (FlyTampa's St Maarten, for example) include more than one closely spaced high detail airport. I will likely pick up Warnervale and Aeropelican (what a fantastic name!) together with this sale. I think buy-two-together discounts are a great idea, although I must admit I didn't take advantage of the Warnervale/Aeropelican deal that was run for a while. Personally, where GA-centric airports are concerned, I'm more likely to pay $40 for two or three airports than I am to pay $15-$20 for one.

Interesting you mention that. We had a long-running (about 12 months I think) automatic discount applied to Aeropelican for anyone who had purchased Warnervale already.We're actively discussing and reviewing pricing within the team and we'll run out a new structure July 1st. Meantime, we'll be running sales on selected products between now and then to gauge the sweetest price points which turn admirers into customers :)

Interesting you mention that. We had a long-running (about 12 months I think) automatic discount applied to Aeropelican for anyone who had purchased Warnervale already.We're actively discussing and reviewing pricing within the team and we'll run out a new structure July 1st. Meantime, we'll be running sales on selected products between now and then to gauge the sweetest price points which turn admirers into customers :)

Yeah, I had always had those two in mind, I just never got around to buying them :(

We've now extended the May Sale to *ALL* Orbx products for the rest of this month, meaning genuine 30-50% off all our products including PNW and the two US airports.