July 26, 201015 yr I was flying from Newark Liberty International Airport to Boston Logan Airport and I was inbound on Runway 34 (I believe) approach. So I was coming from the south and because I flew with an IFR plan I got a long instruction from the tower about my approach(American TA356 you are 78 miles Southwest, turn left heading
July 26, 201015 yr What altiude where you at. You should of being around 2000ft agl. ATC will always try bring you in just under the glideslope, this is to allow the sytem to lock correctly. If you come in above the sytem will usually loose it. Secondly the height athy bring you down to is based on airport altiude, ie if your airport is at 500 ft they will try get you down to 25000 or so, You must remember, the alttude you see on your instrument is above sea level, ASL, it doesnt know what height you are above the ground, that is what the ground radar is for. Otherwise what happend is pretty much correct although atc may make you do a few heading changes till they get you lined up. aslo [pays to start descending before atc tell you to, especially at high altitudes fl 320 etc, it seems to help otherwise you seem to come in to high.
July 26, 201015 yr Don't switch off the altitude hold, the autopilot needs it initially to fly an approach properly, it will override when you hit the APP button. So, here's what you do...Fly with the heading control and altitude set up to intercept the ILS localiser cone and select VOR/LOC instead of heading for the autopilot when on course for the intercept. When you fly into the localiser cone, VOR/LOC will override your heading and turn you onto the localiser. You then watch the glideslope indicator (flying up into the glideslope beam from underneath it). As you get just below the glideslope, you hit APP on the autopilot, which should let you then stick all the CMD buttons down on the autopilot (either one, two, or three of them depending on what aeroplane it is). That is so multiple autopilot systems are controlling the aircraft. Your aeroplane will then fly the approach, and it will override the altitude set on the MCP.At about 200 feet AGL, disengage the autopilot and fly the last 100 feet or so yourself (unless your aircraft has full autoland capabilities), flaring it when you get to about 50 feet off the deck, closing the throttle and disconnecting autothrottle as you do so. Make sure you have armed the spoilers early in the descent (shift+/) put the autobrake onto either 1, 2, 3 or MAX, depending on runway length and conditions. As you touch down, confirm the spoilers have deployed, hit F2 a few times to engage reverse thrust and you can manually brake if you want to, which will override the autobrake if you apply braking normally for more than a few seconds.When you come to a halt, taxi clear of the runway, give control to the co-pilot, set your cap at a rakish angle and then call the prettiest flight attendant into the cabin, and say something like 'Gimme some sugar, baby'. Warning, only do this on a 1970s airliner.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
July 27, 201015 yr Something else to consider is the "APP" mode has an ARMed state and ACTIVE state. When you first press the button it is ARMed. It is monitoring the ILS lateral and vertical inputs from the NAV1 until the needles move towards center. At that point the A/P attempts to capture by adjusting roll and pitch to center the needles. If successful, the APP will update its state from ARMed to ACTIVE and roll and pitch will change to keep the needles centered. Note that lateral (roll) and vertical (pitch) are separate actions in the single mode button.scott s..
July 27, 201015 yr I have been unable to "couple" the Flight Director needles with the ILS approach.Glideslope does seem to couple, with the horizontal Flight Director needle correctly moving up or down to indicate I am above or below the glideslope ... but the vertical Flight Director needle does not appear to work with the ILS at all.The vertical Flight Director needle seems to have a mind of its own. Even if I am lined perfectly up with the runway centreline, the vertical Flight Director needle is deflected off to either the left or right. This makes no sense to me. If I move the control column (joystick) slightly and make small corrections to keep lined up with runway centre, then the vertical needle veers way off to the far left or the far right. The needle certainly doesn't match what the small ILS diamonds at the edge of the PFD are telling me. The ILS diamonds are fine; correctly guiding me perfectly to the threshold. So I follow those. If I flew where that vertical Flight Director needle was sending me, I'd be way off course. I have correctly tuned the ILS frequency, selected NAV mode, dialled in the assigned runway heading on both the CRS display and even the HEADING display and I have selected APP mode. What am I missing? Regards, Freddy
July 27, 201015 yr ILS Procedure for FSX (practice):1. Taxi B737 to position and hold Rwy 27.2. Set ILS freq. for rwy 27 in NAV1.3. Set AP HDG to 270, ALT to 5000, and AT AS to 250.4. Takeoff. Set AP/HDG/ALT/AT to ON.5. Turn HDG to 170. Aircraft will turn to 170 and level off at 5000.6. At 23 miles DME, turn HDG to 290 and AT AS to 190. The LOC needle will stay active to about 25 Miles. When the DME reads about 20 miles the Glideslope (GS) needle will go active and peg to the top of the guage.7. Set APP to ON. The aircraft will turn to center the LOC needle and HDG will dis-engage. The GS needle will slowly come down and center. The ALT will dis-engage.8. Drop 3 clicks of flaps, Set AT AS to 160. Drop gear. The aircraft will fly 2.5 degree slope.9. Set AT AS to 150. Add flaps slowlt to Full DN.10. At 100 feet, dis-engage AT and close power levers.11. Flare/land.Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from. The ALT can be lowered when you become more comfortable with the procedure.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4
July 27, 201015 yr When you come to a halt, taxi clear of the runway, give control to the co-pilot, set your cap at a rakish angle and then call the prettiest flight attendant into the cabin, and say something like 'Gimme some sugar, baby'. Warning, only do this on a 1970s airliner.Al :(
July 27, 201015 yr Author Don't switch off the altitude hold, the autopilot needs it initially to fly an approach properly, it will override when you hit the APP button. So, here's what you do...Fly with the heading control and altitude set up to intercept the ILS localiser cone and select VOR/LOC instead of heading for the autopilot when on course for the intercept. When you fly into the localiser cone, VOR/LOC will override your heading and turn you onto the localiser. You then watch the glideslope indicator (flying up into the glideslope beam from underneath it). As you get just below the glideslope, you hit APP on the autopilot, which should let you then stick all the CMD buttons down on the autopilot (either one, two, or three of them depending on what aeroplane it is). That is so multiple autopilot systems are controlling the aircraft. Your aeroplane will then fly the approach, and it will override the altitude set on the MCP.At about 200 feet AGL, disengage the autopilot and fly the last 100 feet or so yourself (unless your aircraft has full autoland capabilities), flaring it when you get to about 50 feet off the deck, closing the throttle and disconnecting autothrottle as you do so. Make sure you have armed the spoilers early in the descent (shift+/) put the autobrake onto either 1, 2, 3 or MAX, depending on runway length and conditions. As you touch down, confirm the spoilers have deployed, hit F2 a few times to engage reverse thrust and you can manually brake if you want to, which will override the autobrake if you apply braking normally for more than a few seconds.When you come to a halt, taxi clear of the runway, give control to the co-pilot, set your cap at a rakish angle and then call the prettiest flight attendant into the cabin, and say something like 'Gimme some sugar, baby'. Warning, only do this on a 1970s airliner.Alhaha love the humor! thanks a lot! I'll let you know how it goes!ILS Procedure for FSX (practice):1. Taxi B737 to position and hold Rwy 27.2. Set ILS freq. for rwy 27 in NAV1.3. Set AP HDG to 270, ALT to 5000, and AT AS to 250.4. Takeoff. Set AP/HDG/ALT/AT to ON.5. Turn HDG to 170. Aircraft will turn to 170 and level off at 5000.6. At 23 miles DME, turn HDG to 290 and AT AS to 190. The LOC needle will stay active to about 25 Miles. When the DME reads about 20 miles the Glideslope (GS) needle will go active and peg to the top of the guage.7. Set APP to ON. The aircraft will turn to center the LOC needle and HDG will dis-engage. The GS needle will slowly come down and center. The ALT will dis-engage.8. Drop 3 clicks of flaps, Set AT AS to 160. Drop gear. The aircraft will fly 2.5 degree slope.9. Set AT AS to 150. Add flaps slowlt to Full DN.10. At 100 feet, dis-engage AT and close power levers.11. Flare/land.Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from. The ALT can be lowered when you become more comfortable with the procedure.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4this is actually really helpful! :) can you tell me what airport has a runway 27 ILS? thanks! ?I let you know how it goes!
July 27, 201015 yr Author ILS Procedure for FSX (practice):1. Taxi B737 to position and hold Rwy 27.2. Set ILS freq. for rwy 27 in NAV1.3. Set AP HDG to 270, ALT to 5000, and AT AS to 250.4. Takeoff. Set AP/HDG/ALT/AT to ON.5. Turn HDG to 170. Aircraft will turn to 170 and level off at 5000.6. At 23 miles DME, turn HDG to 290 and AT AS to 190. The LOC needle will stay active to about 25 Miles. When the DME reads about 20 miles the Glideslope (GS) needle will go active and peg to the top of the guage.7. Set APP to ON. The aircraft will turn to center the LOC needle and HDG will dis-engage. The GS needle will slowly come down and center. The ALT will dis-engage.8. Drop 3 clicks of flaps, Set AT AS to 160. Drop gear. The aircraft will fly 2.5 degree slope.9. Set AT AS to 150. Add flaps slowlt to Full DN.10. At 100 feet, dis-engage AT and close power levers.11. Flare/land.Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from. The ALT can be lowered when you become more comfortable with the procedure.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4do you know if 9/27 runway at DFW is ILS?
July 27, 201015 yr this is actually really helpful! :) can you tell me what airport has a runway 27 ILS? thanks! ?I let you know how it goes!After step 11:"Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from."If you fly out of KSEA you would set HDG to 343. Turn to downwind of 173. Turn to 000 final to intercept the LOC. I ignore the flight director needles.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4
July 27, 201015 yr Moderator do you know if 9/27 runway at DFW is ILS?DFW doesn't have a runway 9/27. Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
July 27, 201015 yr KDLH has an ILS to runway 27 ;)inbound course 271 , glideslope intercept altitude 3200ft, frequency 108.70 | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
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August 2, 201015 yr Author ILS Procedure for FSX (practice):1. Taxi B737 to position and hold Rwy 27.2. Set ILS freq. for rwy 27 in NAV1.3. Set AP HDG to 270, ALT to 5000, and AT AS to 250.4. Takeoff. Set AP/HDG/ALT/AT to ON.5. Turn HDG to 170. Aircraft will turn to 170 and level off at 5000.6. At 23 miles DME, turn HDG to 290 and AT AS to 190. The LOC needle will stay active to about 25 Miles. When the DME reads about 20 miles the Glideslope (GS) needle will go active and peg to the top of the guage.7. Set APP to ON. The aircraft will turn to center the LOC needle and HDG will dis-engage. The GS needle will slowly come down and center. The ALT will dis-engage.8. Drop 3 clicks of flaps, Set AT AS to 160. Drop gear. The aircraft will fly 2.5 degree slope.9. Set AT AS to 150. Add flaps slowlt to Full DN.10. At 100 feet, dis-engage AT and close power levers.11. Flare/land.Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from. The ALT can be lowered when you become more comfortable with the procedure.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4I was just flying at KIAH runway 27 and followed your directions and everything made reasonable sense until you said:"6. At 23 miles DME, turn HDG to 290 and AT AS to 190. The LOC needle will stay active to about 25 Miles. When the DME reads about 20 miles the Glideslope (GS) needle will go active and peg to the top of the guage."when I turn to this heading, I'm so far away from the airport and heading even further! I can't pick up any glideslope because I'm not near the runway...After I took off, i turned to 170 and then once I was 23 miles away I turned again to 290, but I failed to understand what to do at this point; unless you were perhaps missing a step.I took a screenshot of my cockpit as i was at 290 heading in case that is of any help, with the Garmin open.Thanks,airindia16this is actually really helpful! :) can you tell me what airport has a runway 27 ILS? thanks! ?I let you know how it goes!After step 11:"Change HDG to whatever runway you fly from."If you fly out of KSEA you would set HDG to 343. Turn to downwind of 173. Turn to 000 final to intercept the LOC. I ignore the flight director needles.Have funDaveIntel Core I7 975 Quadcore OC @ 3.75 Ghz (Air)Asus P6T DLX V2 X58 1366, BD Combo Plextor B310SA6GB (3x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR3 1866C7GTHIS ATI 4890 1GB, Samsung 24", Saitek X-52 ProLogitech Z680 5.1 Speakers, G15 Keyboard, G5 MouseThermaltake Element S Case, Corsair 850HX PSUC: Intel 80GB SSD w/Windows 7 Home 64D: WD 300GB Velocity Raptor w/FSX+Accel+GEX, F4AFE: WD 1TB Caviar Black w/Data SH4okay I'll try that but shouldnt i turn to a downwind of 163?
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