Hello all, Oneproudaussie’s post gave me an idea about 747 and generally heavy routes....You see, as much as I love the PMDG 747 (in all its variants) and the bloody marvelous beyond words MD-11, I rarely have the time to fly them long haul.   But these heavy,heavy birds must and do at times fly short haul occasionally in their lives.May I call upon your collective savvy for knowledge of any and all short haul connecting or repositioning flights flown by our glorious heavies?I have a few, by way of example, to set us off.1)  This is featured on a Just Planes DVD, but its Cargolux 747-4F, Changi to Kuala Lumpur. Must be 250 nm and 30 mins max this one. I have never seen a First Officer sweat as much as this guy did on takeoff and approach.  Twice.  (Seriously buy this DVD.  Captain Lewis is a hoot.)2)  KLM 747-400 and the MD-11 crucially - the refuelling flight from St Maarten to Curacao Hato.  Must be 1hr max, approx 500nms. 3)  My new favourite, Virgin Atlantic 747-400 and/orA340-300...Antigua to San Juan.  Less than 40 mins.  Connecting flight from Heathrow to Antigua.Hope you've got some to add.CheersRichard Wells

SAA flies Cape Town - Johannesburg. Brussels Airlines flies:Dakar-Yoff (GOOY) - Banjul-Yundum (GBYD) (45 minutes) Dakar-Yoff (GOOY) - Conakry-Gbessia (GUCY) (0120)Dakar-Yoff (GOOY) - Lungi (GFLL) (0125)Monrovia-Roberts Intl (GLRB) - Abidjan (DIAP) (0120)Douala (FKKD) - Kinshasa-N'Djili (FZAA) (0145)Yaounde (FKYS) - Kinshasa-N'Djili (FZAA) (0140)Luanda (FNLU) - Kinshasa-N'Djili (FZAA) (0100)Bujumbura (HBBA) - Nairobi-Jomo Kenyatta Intl. (HKJK) (0130)Kigali (HRYR) - Entebbe (HUEN) (0050)Entebbe (HUEN) - Nairobi-Jomo Kenyatta Intl. (HKJK) (0100)Accra (DGAA) - Libreville (FOOL) (0150)And a couple more... Those Brussels Airlines flights are in Africa so there is not always an ILS available and usually they are flown in the A333.Cheers,Hauke Verrept

i guess in japan are some shorthaul flights in widebodys, as the ammount of passengers that needed to be transported.

KLM flys/flew:MD11-TNCM/TNCA and/or TNCC (an Hour)747-TNCA-TNCC (10 Minutes)MD11 BONAIRE QUITO BONAIRE (about 2 1/2 hour round trip)in fs i have flew many short haul and medium haul flights with the 747 and MD11 heres some:EGNT-EHAMEHAM-EDDFEGNT/EGCC-GCTSTNCM-TNCATNCA-MMUNTNCA-MDPC

Could you identify the aircraft with the flights?Preferably PMDG birds.Just got one.... Polar Air Cargo...JFK to Atlanta, and another Cargolux Glasgow to Liege BelgiumBingo.Thats it, heavy 747-8i on it's first movement.Richard WellsTNCC to TNCA...surely not??

You will always find carriers using big planes on short routes from and between their hubs.AAL flies widebodys out of Dallas to LAX, ORD, SFO, ORD to LAX and SFO.UAL flies all sorts of big planes out of ORD to IAD, DEN, MIA.

British Airways use the 744 & 777 on a very short flight from Bahrain (OBBI) to Doha (OTBD) About 80 miles and crz alt is around 13000ft I've flown it many times in the real world.Workload must be high for R/W crew but it's great fun in FShttp://www.vataware.com/flight.cfm?id=6231705

Scott, while those are handy...thats the US.  You have big jets doing that kind of thing all the time.  I want connecting flights in far flung places..It's not like Japan.  Massive amounts of people, small amounts of space....we need this...Air France Naimey to OugadougouSounds insane but that is an Air France route, weekly.  It used to be a 747 route but now (like St Maarten) it's serviced by A340's.

British Airways use the 744 & 777 on a very short flight from Bahrain (OBBI) to Doha (OTBD) About 80 miles and crz alt is around 13000ft I've flown it many times in the real world.Workload must be high for R/W crew but it's great fun in FShttp://www.vataware.....cfm?id=6231705

Thank you mate...that is just what I am looking for!More like this, the weirder the better.

I think we've had this thread or something like it beore. My personal favorite is BA #357 which used to be a 744. LFMN to EGLL. About an hour. They've since downed it to an A320 (maybe its seasonal). The whole flight is about an hour, and I love the SIDs out of LFMN.

Air Canada does the YYZ-YUL (toronto-montreal) routes with a Boeing 777-300ER(usually, not always)another very short haul is the london to amsterdam route done by KLM with an A330 sometimes.

If you like cargo flights you have plenty.AFR with 744F : EGPK -> LFPG EIDW -> LFPG LFPG -> HECA 4 hour flightGEC with the Md11, just download their XLS sheet and filter it to only see the md11 flights (and to only see european flights) :http://www.lufthansa-cargo.com/content.jsp?path=0,1,19199,19238,94143,94234They appear to have a FRA to AMS flight ! that's new ?For passenger flights, you can try the first leg of these two KLM flights :KLM 785 TNCM -> TNCC -> EHAM with a 744KLM 763 TNCM -> TNCB -> EHAM with an Md11

Yep wiseblood KLM 783 flys from EHAM-TNCA the into TNCC. this is about 65nm and the CRZ ALT is about 10000ft.

Hello all, Oneproudaussie’s post gave me an idea about 747 and generally heavy routes....You see, as much as I love the PMDG 747 (in all its variants) and the bloody marvelous beyond words MD-11, I rarely have the time to fly them long haul.   But these heavy,heavy birds must and do at times fly short haul occasionally in their lives.May I call upon your collective savvy for knowledge of any and all short haul connecting or repositioning flights flown by our glorious heavies?I have a few, by way of example, to set us off.1)  This is featured on a Just Planes DVD, but its Cargolux 747-4F, Changi to Kuala Lumpur. Must be 250 nm and 30 mins max this one. I have never seen a First Officer sweat as much as this guy did on takeoff and approach.  Twice.  (Seriously buy this DVD.  Captain Lewis is a hoot.)2)  KLM 747-400 and the MD-11 crucially - the refuelling flight from St Maarten to Curacao Hato.  Must be 1hr max, approx 500nms. 3)  My new favourite, Virgin Atlantic 747-400 and/orA340-300...Antigua to San Juan.  Less than 40 mins.  Connecting flight from Heathrow to Antigua.Hope you've got some to add.CheersRichard Wells

QANTAS regularly reposition the A380 from Syd to Mel (440nm 55 mins). No pax on board

Cathay Pacific flies its 747-400s between RCTP and VHHH.Or you can fly RCTP-VHHX, if oyu have the adequate scenery :D

BA fly. St kitts to Antigua, 52 nm, as BA 2156. Flowen in 777-200ER, but MD-11 will be adequet, it then continues on to gatwick, currently got the long part saved along the NAT west of the Azores, hopefully finninsh this weekend.