June 23, 201114 yr You can get this jet for $200,000http://www.aircraftdealer.com/aircraft_for_sale_detail/Cessna_Citation_I___500___501/1974_CESSNA_CITATION_500/31433.htmor you can get this little slow prop for $432,000http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-TURBO-182T-SKYLANE/2011-CESSNA-TURBO-182T-SKYLANE/1191035.htm?I don't get it? If I hit the lottery I'm getting myself a little single pilot business jet, not a single piston, what's up with that? Jeff Commercial | Instrument | Multi-Engine Land AMD 5600X, RTX3070, 32MB RAM, 2TB SSD
June 23, 201114 yr That's not really a fair price comparison, the Cessna 182 is at the list price for a brand new one whereas the Citation is a used one with 5,400 hours on the airframe, so it may have some pricey maintenance coming up. The new list price for a Citation Mustang is about 2.7 million USD, i.e. nearly six times the price of the prop. Then you've got the difference operating costs and different runway requirements, plus the licence requirement differences, including the fact that in Europe you need two people in the cockpit of the Citation for some operations, unlike in the US. So if I could afford to buy either, I'd rather have the 182 to be honest, as I could fly that out of any of the airports near me apart from EGCC.Of course if money was no object at all, I'd have the Citation LOLAl Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
June 23, 201114 yr Cessna 182....because it does not have the maintenance expense of a jet, and because I live in New Zealand so a C182 is more then enough to get you around here...Cheers Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
June 23, 201114 yr Yeah the jet most likely has inspections coming up and is probably not RVSM certified which would make it a huge gas guzzler since it can't get up into the normal cruising altitudes. Chris Miller
June 23, 201114 yr Hi Jeff,Props are more fun... You can't tool around 1000 feet above the ground in a Lear... Most jet flying is done at altitude following the little magenta line under IFR... The skylane is pretty nice - for a high wing - has a decent load and some really long legs... This is on my wish list and should run less than 100K - seems as if it would be way more fun than a business jet...http://youtu.be/gVNFfTSbwAsWatch in HD...Regards,Scott
June 23, 201114 yr Author Yeah the jet most likely has inspections coming up and is probably not RVSM certified which would make it a huge gas guzzler since it can't get up into the normal cruising altitudes.On that same website, there was another Citation, same model, one year newer (1975) that was RVSM certified, I believe it was going for $295,000.Hi Jeff,Props are more fun... You can't tool around 1000 feet above the ground in a Lear... Most jet flying is done at altitude following the little magenta line under IFR... The skylane is pretty nice - for a high wing - has a decent load and some really long legs... This is on my wish list and should run less than 100K - seems as if it would be way more fun than a business jet...http://youtu.be/gVNFfTSbwAsWatch in HD...Regards,ScottI agree that props are fun, but I think if I had half a million, I would buy the jet. One reason is that, I live in Michigan, my family lives in Las Vegas, plus I like to travel as much as enjoy sightseeing (in the air) so from a "just want to get there" standpoint I would want a SP jet.I do like that RV-7 though, they are sweet, and fast! And, I like that sundowner even more. Jeff Commercial | Instrument | Multi-Engine Land AMD 5600X, RTX3070, 32MB RAM, 2TB SSD
June 24, 201114 yr On that same website, there was another Citation, same model, one year newer (1975) that was RVSM certified, I believe it was going for $295,000.Again there is probably more than what the ad is conveying. Even though it has RVSM it might have a huge inspection, lots of hours and timed out engines. A good quality Citation 500 should be more around $500-600K. Chris Miller
June 24, 201114 yr Again there is probably more than what the ad is conveying. Even though it has RVSM it might have a huge inspection, lots of hours and timed out engines. A good quality Citation 500 should be more around $500-600K.Maybe no USB ports . . .? . . . or worse: only ONE. :( Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
June 24, 201114 yr Hi Jeff, Ahh - actual transportation - lol - I see your point - the bus jet would fill that niche nicely... I'd also consider a fast turbo prop - unless I had an unlimted budget... One of my absolute favorite planes in FS is the DA Cheyenne - it really is am incredible plane... Thanks - yep - the Sundowner is mint and a joy to fly... I plan on keeping it for a while as previous owners really went overboard on the avionics...Regards,Scott
June 26, 201114 yr Speaking of 182s... Has anyone checked out AOPA's prize aircraft this year? The "Crossover Classic" is a 1974 Cessna 182P. I had the pleasure of looking her over in Boss Aircraft's finishing hangar at Rowan Airport, and she looked sweet (I'll admit I'm partial to 182's because I used them during instrument/com. training). What was a $50,000-$60,000 a/c has received a makeover to become a $200,000 one. I wouldn't be able to afford the taxes on her if I won the sweepstakes, though... :( ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
June 26, 201114 yr You can get this jet for $200,000Great deal, problem is that it would probably cost you at least $100 K the first year after you bought it. Michael J.
June 27, 201114 yr The 182 easily beats out the Slowtation for me. Now if it was a Citation X.... | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
June 27, 201114 yr The 182 easily beats out the Slowtation for me. The only jet with reinforced trailing edges and a radar antenna on the tail... :( ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
June 27, 201114 yr I showed this to my boss, a millionaire many times over. I'm not a R/W pilot, but it seems to me that even if he had to put another $500,000 - $750,000 due to needed maintenance that it would still be a good deal. Would you all say that was a fair assessment? He only travels between Philadelphia (KPHL) to Boston (KBOS) or Atlantic City (KACY), and KPHL and direct to Miami (KMIA).Then again, the airframe is coming up on FORTY years old, isn't it?? Maybe not such a good deal . . . :( Smooth Skies! -- Chuck B. MACHINE 1:FS2004/WinXP Pro 64, Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Clocked to 4.35 GHz, Corsair H50, Asus Maximus Formula, 4GB PNY XLR8 DDR2 @1067, ATI 4870 and 4650, WD Raptor 10K RPM 160 GB HD, Seagate 500 mgb 32mgb cache, 2 Analog 2HTGs w/ 3 19" I-INC flat panel monitors 1280x1024x32, and 1 17" at 1280 x 1024, PC Silencer 750 Quad, FSPassengers, FSUPIC, (Payware), WideFS MACHINE 2: Dell Dimension, P4, WideClient, FDC Live Cockpit, Pro Flight Emulator, Active Sky v6.5 MACHINE 3: ASUS u81A Laptop, Windows 7 (what a joke!), WideClient, FlightSim Commander
June 27, 201114 yr Then again, the airframe is coming up on FORTY years old, isn't it?? Maybe not such a good deal . . . :(See that's the problem. Larger aircraft have huge inspections usually at decade intervals which are even more intensive than annuals. It is usually cheaper to pay more up front than rebuilding a whole airframe. Chris Miller
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