You guys can not use the OS vs Flight backward compatibility argument. 100% of all OS users have apps to make the OS useful. Also, nearly 100% of MSFS users... use the flight sim without any addons.

thats true for all of my 4 yr games, except WOW and MSFS. Probably true of most people as well .. rare to still have a 4yr old game still installed.

Better performance, more fps, realistic night illumination, improved flight dynamics realistic wheather efx!!!

thats true for all of my 4 yr games, except WOW and MSFS. Probably true of most people as well .. rare to still have a 4yr old game still installed.

The only reason I still have FSX installed on my PC is... (drum rolls, please!) MS never released FSXI! :( :Cry:Oh, and remember, in this forum at least, FS is not a game, it's serious business. :Big Grin:Cheers,- jahman.

Also, I don't understand statements like "There's no way I'll be flying the default 737". What do you know about any possible "default 737" that makes you reject it already, without the simulator even being on the market yet? Jaap Verduijn.

Jaap, let me explain my comment when I said "There's no way I'll be flying the default 737".As you may or may not know depending on how long you have been in the hobby, default a/c for the MS flight sim franchise have never been a/c that are on the level of what the aftermarket developers do. If you look back on the a/c as recently as FS9 and FSX you will see what I mean. They're designed to be relativily easy a/c to fly, you can start them by pressing CNTRL-E, there's no FMC/FMS in the airliners, etc, etc. I could go on, but the point being when I said that there is no way I will be flying the default 737 is because I am not into the default style a/c, in fact in the 4 years i've been using FSX I have probably less than 2 hours combined use of all the default a/c in the stock inventory.Now, I am not saying there is anything wrong with the default a/c because for some people that is all they want and they will be content with those a/c for the extent of time they use the sim. However for some of us, me included, the a/c included in the sim by default are aweful, both cosmetically as well as functionally. I can tell you now that if Flight does include a default 737 it will be along the lines of all the default a/c in the past and will be nothing like the 737 PMDG is putting out or even like the iFly version, which is why I said there will be no way I will by Flight just to fly the default 737 or any of the stock a/c for that matter. You can't expect MS to go to the great lenghts to produce payware quality a/c like those from PMDG, A2A, RealAir, LDS, etc. In fact, if the a/c they included were like the ones I mentioned, it would probably scare people away from buying Flight in the first place because operating those type of planes would be way to complicated for the general public with no experience.Having said all that, until those type of planes are available for Flight, either being new creations or the FSX versions being ported to Flight by the developers, there is no reason for me to buy Flight without having something that I actually want to fly, simple as that.

The thing is, backwards compatibility is wishful or hopeful thanking by people who have invested a LOT of money into there current software (FSX/2004). They simply DONT want that money to be waisted! I can understand that to some degree, but the number of people in that situation number in the hundreds at most.

For me it's never been about the money or having to buy all my addons again for Flight. I'm not saying that I relish the fact that I will need to spend another $2500 to replace all the addons I have bought for FSX, but if and when that stuff is available again for Flight I will spend the money again. Unfortunately not everyone is in the same position to do that. I know that there are a lot of teens and young adults in the hobby who are probably just starting out and don't have the financial means to do it all over every 4 years or so.What worrys me with Flight if the devs cant port their existing stuff to Flight, is not about spending the money again, but how long is it going to take to get the new stuff? That's way for me personally, I will be willing to wait 3 years if necessary to get the majority of the stuff I have in FSX again for Flight. I'm really in no rush to switch sims frankly. I have FSX working well as it stands and once the NGX is out, the one a/c I have been waiting on for 3 years, I will be pretty content with FSX aside from a few more key airports that I would like. Granted Flight looks great, but not great enought without the key a/c and airports that I require to get max satisfaction out of my sim experience.

I think it would be interesting to hear people's thoughts on the following question:What features and/or attributes would MS Flight have to have in order for you to switch from your current sim (FSX, FS9, or other) to MS Flight?

Switching to MSFlight from my current FSX setup...- What i would like: - PhysX support for ultra realistic Physics effects - Proper support for Video Card usage, delegate all rendering to the video card so the CPU has free time for all flight calculations (weather, FMC data, flight dynamics...) - Actual multithreaded environment so that performance is at its best on better machines - Above all - A simulator, leave out the game part, or at least make it an option for whoever wants to "play a game". But the simulation is a must, or i would never switch - Even better default aircraft so you can start flying out of the box. One Airbus and one Boeing (at least - for variety) with most systems functioning, and that includes an FMC, as well as the already excellent (in FSX) GA aircraft. - What would be enough to make me switch: - Overall better scenery than the one found in FSX. It's already pretty nice, but higher resolution and improved detail is possible by use of current hardware - More and better aircraft than the ones found in FSX - Proper use of the hardware so we can fly in any circumstance without any glitches/stutter/etc even with a crowded screen - Simulation without any game related stuffToo demanding? Might be, but FSX made me like this :(

Alain,FSX broke compatibility with FS9 for aircraft and scenery. So what happened?As far as I can tell we have a ton of - sometimes badly - converted FS9 products sold for FSX.

It's because the devs. had access to the SDK for their own use, do you think the SDK will be released to whom ever want it...:( Flight's addons will be downloaded from the store to your Flight, you won't have access to them like the old way, so unless MS let FSX addons to be sold in Flight's store I don't see how you will convert FSX addons to Flight, "ain't gonna" happen, Flight will be different, no more business as usual.You guys still under the impression that Flight will be business as usual (like FS9 or FSX was), if you don't want to invest in Flight addons...no problem, stay with FSX and enjoy what you already have, I don't see any problems with that.

Well, it is very unlikely that I will purchase MS Flight on the day of release if there is no backwards compatibility with my existing FSX addons. There is no moaning or whinging involved in this decision. It is simply a case of common sense. MS Flight UK will be nowhere near as detailed as my upgraded FSX version, so the decision is a no brainer. I have paid a fair amount of money to upgrade the UK region in FSX to the standard that it is currently at, and I do not intend to do it all over again for no other reason than "to support the flightsim industry". That would be a very silly reason indeed.

If I can fly it on the VATSIM network, then I will most likely purchase it.No VATSIM and I will stick with FSX.

do you think the SDK will be released to whom ever want it...:(

Of course. It always has. No reason to change/easier way to do it.

Flight's addons will be downloaded from the store to your Flight, you won't have access to them like the old way, so unless MS let FSX addons to be sold in Flight's store I don't see how you will convert FSX addons to Flight, "ain't gonna" happen, Flight will be different, no more business as usual.

If you don't have access to the add-ons, then how to developers manage their add-ons when they work on them. They NEED access to the aircraft folders in Flight, so some sort of system will have to be worked out where the add-ons will still be accessible like they always have.The conclusions you make are pretty bold.

Of course. It always has. No reason to change/easier way to do it.If you don't have access to the add-ons, then how to developers manage their add-ons when they work on them. They NEED access to the aircraft folders in Flight, so some sort of system will have to be worked out where the add-ons will still be accessible like they always have.The conclusions you make are pretty bold.

Let me try one more time.....PIRACY....again....PIRACY....MS and the devs. want to protect their investment....would you not??The approved devs. (the one who will be selling in the store) will have the SDK of course, everything will be sent to and sold using MS's server......so how do you think you'll get to do that if you'r not in the loop with MS....don't say anything, I already know the answer.Again, it's not about how I, you or everybody else feel about Flight and the way business was done before for FS9 or FSX, at the end it's always about money and if the devs. and MS want to make as much money as they can that's the way to go, partnership is the word to use here.By the way, the devs. will be able to pack a lot more details in their Flight's sceneries (HD), they won't have to brake the SDK by altering the default autogen file, or have to over stuffed it well over what was considered reasonable by MS engineers. I understand how us serious simmers feel about FSX, we will be better off using Flight (because of the enhanced performance it will give us) with addons we already have... right....wait until you see what can be done as far as addons for Flight and you'll change your mind about backward compatibility....

The approved devs. (the one who will be selling in the store) will have the SDK of course, everything will be sent to and sold using MS's server......so how do you think you'll get to do that if you'r not in the loop with MS....don't say anything, I already know the answer.

Microsoft is not going to take the time to deal with every developer and make sure that they are going to sell the add-on. People need to learn how to use the new tools. They won't all immediately go into payware development. Many developers, some of the best, start as freeware developers so that they can learn and get experience. I HIGHLY doubt that freeware will be cut out of the picture.

Microsoft is not going to take the time to deal with every developer and make sure that they are going to sell the add-on. People need to learn how to use the new tools. They won't all immediately go into payware development. Many developers, some of the best, start as freeware developers so that they can learn and get experience. I HIGHLY doubt that freeware will be cut out of the picture.

I told you that it will not be business as usual......I give up......:(

.....I give up......:(

Whew, finally a break from the Alainneedle show. Enjoy your rest while your hands heal from all the drum beating you have been doing over the last few months.

" - Simulation without any game related stuff....."

So it Flight is a simulation with game related stuff as well, you will not buy it?

So it Flight is a simulation with game related stuff as well, you will not buy it?

It would be silly if people didn't.Look, lets face it... not everyone has 2 or more hours free to do a 'short' 1000nm hop, some people (like me) just want to enjoy everything to do with flying for a short period of time when I'm bored. And if I want to have a little enjoyment, I would love for Flight to have a few game-like features... Doing 3 hour flights does get a little boring after a while, to be honest. I want to be able to have some fun. I like doing some really bad weather approaches, races with other people, I love doing crazy things, I like to stress the aircraft to its limits. This doesn't mean I carelessly go around on a multiplayer server smashing into people, all it means is I like to have fun, but I keep it fair for others as well; not all people like an f-18 doing flybys or even flying upside down near them, when they're in the air. I respect that, I would want the same if I was in their shoes.So yeah, that's my opinion... :)Jamie ♥