September 4, 201114 yr Hi Captains, What is cutback? How does it affect takeoff performance? Thanks in advance for the comments. Roy Joven T. Benzonan AS136 - AirSource Virtual Pilot Union Acer Aspire 5738G, Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2Ghz), 4GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon (512MB graphics), Windows 7 (64-bit) Add-ons: Radar Contact V4, Activesky Evolution, FDC Live Cockpit Flight Planning: FSBuild2, Navigraph nDAC3 Aircrafts: PMDG NGX/747-8i, LDS 767, CS C130
September 4, 201114 yr Well I don't know the full details of it but I believe it is used for noise abatement procedures on departure. Engine N1 is reduced at a certain altitude to reduce noise. When this happens a shallow climb is maintained until normal climb power is resumed. In this case the CDU shows power is reduced at 800ft and increased again at 3000 feet.
September 5, 201114 yr Like Andres said, it's for noise abatement. An example is KSNA (John Wayne airport, Santa Ana, CA) Steve Caffey
September 5, 201114 yr Well I don't know the full details of it but I believe it is used for noise abatement procedures on departure. Engine N1 is reduced at a certain altitude to reduce noise. When this happens a shallow climb is maintained until normal climb power is resumed. In this case the CDU shows power is reduced at 800ft and increased again at 3000 feet. Actually while we are on this topic, I've always wondered with the NGX, whats the difference between EO ACCEL HT and ACCEL HT? Kind Regards, Dan Wela
September 5, 201114 yr Engine Out accel heightMost cases of noise abatement that I have witnessed in RL had a thrust reduction at 1500 AFE and accel height at 3000 AFE. If I´m not mistaken that would be ICAO B. Don´t know how they choose between one or the other though. Whether the airport authority leaves it up to the airline or whether it´s a standardized airport-specific procedure (either ICAO A or :( that must be adhered to by all departing jet acft. Cheers,Victor M. Lima
September 5, 201114 yr I think the Cutback option is for pilots who smoke too much !! Hahah. Good one.. Some airports have different procedures, you just have to look at the charts to see their noise abatement warnings and the airports often have a warning sign if you are in a noise sensitive area.. The pilot rooms also have posting of detailed procedures as well... ATC and safety have the authority over any noise abatement procedure, sometimes they can get ridiculous and can't be followed fully, but you do the best you can..Point your aircraft at this heading when holding short blah blah.. Darn Town hall meetings..
September 5, 201114 yr I don't know about other countries around the world, but a lot of people here in the USA invent things to complain about.. That's my rant for the day.. :)
September 5, 201114 yr I don't know about other countries around the world, but a lot of people here in the USA invent things to complain about.. That's my rant for the day.. :)They do in New Zealand Tony, they build a house near the airport, and complain about the noise. All it's life NZCH has been a 24hr airport, as US aircraft from Mcmurdo land and take off at any time of the day and night.. Why buy a house near an airport, if you don't like the noise<sigh> System: MSFS2024, ASUS Rog Stryx Z790-A, Intel i9-14900KF, Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 , Asus Hyperion Case,Rog Stryx 4090 OC, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD,64Gb G Skill Memory, Asus Aura 1200W Gold PSU,Win 11 ,LG C4 48" 4K OLED Screen., Airbus TCA Full Kit, Stream Deck XL. WinWing FCU, EFIS, MCDU
September 5, 201114 yr The automated cutback feature on the 737NG is discussed here. It is known as QCS (Quiet Climb System) http://www.better-gw...Quiet_Climb.pdf Graeme Graeme Brown
September 5, 201114 yr Author Thank a lot guys for the helpful replies. What is used to do for noise abatement is set V2+20 in the first 2 or 3 waypoints in the FMC legs page or according to the SID charts. After reaching 3000 ft then I accelerate to 250 kts. I will try this cutback option in my next flight... Roy Joven T. Benzonan AS136 - AirSource Virtual Pilot Union Acer Aspire 5738G, Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2Ghz), 4GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon (512MB graphics), Windows 7 (64-bit) Add-ons: Radar Contact V4, Activesky Evolution, FDC Live Cockpit Flight Planning: FSBuild2, Navigraph nDAC3 Aircrafts: PMDG NGX/747-8i, LDS 767, CS C130
September 5, 201114 yr They do in New Zealand Tony, they build a house near the airport, and complain about the noise. All it's life NZCH has been a 24hr airport, as US aircraft from Mcmurdo land and take off at any time of the day and night.. Why buy a house near an airport, if you don't like the noise<sigh>Same here in Brazil. São Paulo, more specifically. Congonhas Aiport has been there since 1936, when there were no houses around it. Then the government started building houses around it and people moved in, knowing about the airport, the noise and everything else associated to it. Now Congonhas is forced to close operations between 11p and 5:30a in order to allow the dwellers to sleep. Go figure. Matheus Mafra
September 5, 201114 yr So far 11 replies - and not a single one that thought about pointing the OP to page 0.00.29 of the Introduction and Use manual where CUTBACK is explained... Cheers, Søren DissingIntel i9-13900K @5.6-5.8 Ghz | ASUS ROG RYUJIN III | ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 OC | ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero | 64Gb DDR5 @5600 | 1Tb Samsung M.2 980 PRO (Win11), 1Tb Samsung M.2 980 PRO, | ASUS ROG Helios 601 | 32” ASUS PG32UCDM 240hz 4K | Chaseplane | TM TCA Captain's Edition, Winwing FCU + EFIS L/R, Tobii 5 | Win 11 Pro 64 | MSFS 2024 | BA Virtual | PSXT, RealTraffic w/ AIG models
September 5, 201114 yr Engine Out accel height Most cases of noise abatement that I have witnessed in RL had a thrust reduction at 1500 AFE and accel height at 3000 AFE. If I´m not mistaken that would be ICAO B. Don´t know how they choose between one or the other though. Whether the airport authority leaves it up to the airline or whether it´s a standardized airport-specific procedure (either ICAO A or that must be adhered to by all departing jet acft.I think ICAO A and B have been replaced with NADP-1 and -2. Couple tweaks. I'm guessing the airport tells the operators which to use. Some airports have NADP-1 one taking off in one direction and NADP-2 in the other. Matt Cee
September 5, 201114 yr So far 11 replies - and not a single one that thought about pointing the OP to page 0.00.29 of the Introduction and Use manual where CUTBACK is explained... Maybe because that's some people here like to dig deep into their minds and evoke procedures and lessons from their memory. You know, keep things active under the hood. I personally like to try and explain things my own way before replying "rtfm". Makes room for healthy discussions where a wealth of information is shared. They say it helps prevent Alzheimer's as well. As for ICAO vs. NADP, Matt is right. BTW I found these lying around. Don't know how accuarate they are though: http://www.b737mrg.net/downloads/b737mrg_noise.pdf Cheers,Victor M. Lima
September 6, 201114 yr Author Maybe because that's some people here like to dig deep into their minds and evoke procedures and lessons from their memory. You know, keep things active under the hood. I personally like to try and explain things my own way before replying "rtfm". Makes room for healthy discussions where a wealth of information is shared. They say it helps prevent Alzheimer's as well. As for ICAO vs. NADP, Matt is right. BTW I found these lying around. Don't know how accuarate they are though: http://www.b737mrg.n...37mrg_noise.pdf Thanks a lot Captain! Roy Joven T. Benzonan AS136 - AirSource Virtual Pilot Union Acer Aspire 5738G, Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2Ghz), 4GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon (512MB graphics), Windows 7 (64-bit) Add-ons: Radar Contact V4, Activesky Evolution, FDC Live Cockpit Flight Planning: FSBuild2, Navigraph nDAC3 Aircrafts: PMDG NGX/747-8i, LDS 767, CS C130
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