I have over 200gb of photoreal textures in my X-plane 9 folder. Only time I use default is to go into some payware scenery that does not have it.Made this sample almost 2 years ago.

Saying they "don't add real immersion" is disapproving. It's a double negative that is referring to the same topic.You can't say "they don't add real immersion but I DO approve of them" in the context of what we are discussing. It doesn't make sense.

I have said multiple in this thread .. get both xplane10 and FSX/Flight. I would truly like to see xplane10 be a contender. My point during this "truck shadow" comment was why get excited by a secondary feature in FLIGHT sim. Talk to me about xp10 ATC, airport modeling, new interface, weather .. the primary stuff flight sims are made of...

I have over 200gb of photoreal textures in my X-plane 9 folder. Only time I use default is to go into some payware scenery that does not have it.Made this sample almost 2 years ago.

Glad I'm not the only one Jim! but it might not be as important with 10, I hope at least

HelloWhat I don't understand about Xplane and can be seen in the first Vid you posted, Why even when the sky is a bright blue as you would find on a summers day at noon does the scenery always look so dark and dreary, almost dusk like and the visibility does not match with what you would expect to see with such a bright sky.The ground should be well lit going by the sky and the sunlight on the clouds in this clip but the landscape is surreal.

What you don't understand, is that X-plane affords you a way of landing your bloody plane by dumbing down scenery aspects that would otherwise make it almost impossible. Do you really enjoy the slideshow FSX shows you on finals? As I have stated before, frames per second are the lifeblood of flightsimulation, and Xplane delivers. On another note, if you're a stewardess, I understand the wing views, or whatever the sky looks like....

I get 40 fps on my $800 computer and FSX with UT2, photoscenery, and sliders at full right. What is your point?

I have said multiple in this thread .. get both xplane10 and FSX/Flight. I would truly like to see xplane10 be a contender. My point during this "truck shadow" comment was why get excited by a secondary feature in FLIGHT sim. Talk to me about xp10 ATC, airport modeling, new interface, weather .. the primary stuff flight sims are made of...

Yes, you have said get both X Plane and Flight. However, it was in the context of "I'm switching to X Plane and foregoing Flight" with your response being "Why not get both?" Some people may not want both. Maybe they can't afford both. Maybe they look at it as a horse and a donkey and they want only the horse. I've been Pro MSFS since 1997. I have every version and just about every add on you can imagine. Switched to X Plane just over 2 years ago and have absolutely no intention of getting Flight. Just my preference. Everything I want or need will be in X Plane 10. Even if AI and ATC weren't in 10, it wouldn't bother me. I haven't flown with AI and ATC since the early days of FS9. I prefer Vatsim. Much more realistic with real people. I have yet to see any positive comments come from you regarding these new screenshots. You are simply picking at what YOU think shouldn't be in the sim or what constitutes immersion or the lack of it.Screenshots have been posted of KSEA, railroad crossings, complex autogen which I have NEVER seen ANY MSFS title replicate. Not even the upcoming Flight. All you seem to post are the smallest criticisms and expanding them to elements that you believe have nothing to do with flight sim. ie. the shadows. Yet it seems the lack of statements about everything else means you either think it looks fantastic but don't want to say it, or you just haven't bothered to look at it. I'm inclined to believe the former. I can almost guarantee that if Flight showed these kinds of screenshots, you, and all the other Flight sim enthusiasts would flood avsim with pages of "WOW", "Looks Awesome", "Can't wait", Want it NOW!!". But because it's Flights/FSX's chief competition, you want to criticise the smallest things and totally ignore what is being shown. I definitely respect your patriotism and loyalty to the Microsoft franchise, but it's ok to compliment the competition without repercussions. If anything, you'll be all the more respected for it.

You can't argue that this isn't brilliant;

Actually, its not. It looks like the surface of OATMEAL, not the surface of earth. The textures are all streaked and streatched in random directions! There is no real definition to the topo at all as its all low resolution mesh's, and its monochromatic. Im not impressed, and quite frankly, if this impresses anyone, I have a golden bridge for sale sitting outside San Fran. Any takers? I havent seen one thing thats impressive in XP10 other then the night time shots, and thats not saying much when 90% of the screenshot is BLACK. Every time I bring up how uninspiring these screenshots are, people keep tossing excuses around that its XP9 this and XP9 that. Its just a sad state considering is supposed to be 2 months away from release, and all there dev shots are using DX9.

I have said multiple in this thread .. get both xplane10 and FSX/Flight. I would truly like to see xplane10 be a contender. My point during this "truck shadow" comment was why get excited by a secondary feature in FLIGHT sim. Talk to me about xp10 ATC, airport modeling, new interface, weather .. the primary stuff flight sims are made of...

Because to some of us, what you see outside of the cockpit window is just as important as those other aspects. I want a flight sim where the illusion doesn't fall apart when I glance up from the instrument panel.

Actually, its not. It looks like the surface of OATMEAL, not the surface of earth. The textures are all streaked and streatched in random directions! There is no real definition to the topo at all as its all low resolution mesh's, and its monochromatic. Im not impressed, and quite frankly, if this impresses anyone, I have a golden bridge for sale sitting outside San Fran. Any takers? I havent seen one thing thats impressive in XP10 other then the night time shots, and thats not saying much when 90% of the screenshot is BLACK. Every time I bring up how uninspiring these screenshots are, people keep tossing excuses around that its XP9 this and XP9 that. Its just a sad state considering is supposed to be 2 months away from release, and all there dev shots are using DX9.

Ok, now we're exaggerating. I eat oatmeal on a regular basis and if my oatmeal looked like that, I would demand a refund.Unless you have a 100TB hard drive and don't mind sitting there waiting for about a week or 2 for that 100TB of accurate terrain data and photorealistic textures to install, I'd say it's "close enough" and believable. I just opened up FSX at that same spot and in FSX, it looks like my 5 year olds sandbox. Let's not take things out of perspective.

Could you be more specific? Just saying "it looks quite poor" (strong choice of words) doesn't tell people that much. What about it looks "poor"?Could you also show us what screenshots they HAVE shown that look better?

Why does everyone keep demanding XP10 be compared to default FSX?FSX came out nearly 7 years ago. Comparisons don't have to be fair. They just have to be settled in reality. The reality is that FSX today is much different then when it came out. People care about that, not some irrelevant forced comparison between default versions.

Mine does not take that long to load over 30gb of photo real terrain textures. I have most of Montana and it only takes about 15mn to get all loaded. And then I can go anywhereacross the state. My computer does the job no problem. Gotta love my Dell XPS 730X. I have have 4 hard drives. 2/1TB and 2/750gb plus 4 external.

Mine does not take that long to load over 30gb of photo real terrain textures. I have most of Montana and it only takes about 15mn to get all loaded. And then I can go anywhereacross the state. My computer does the job no problem. Gotta love my Dell XPS 730X. I have have 4 hard drives. 2/1TB and 2/750gb plus 4 external.

Lol, Jim. You forget. They want the entire planet to look like a postcard photo. Not just one area.

Why does everyone keep demanding XP10 be compared to default FSX?FSX came out nearly 7 years ago.Comparisons don't have to be fair. They just have to be settled in reality. The reality is that FSX today is much different then when it came out. People care about that, not some irrelevant forced comparison between default versions.

They don't compare it to FSX anymore. I can see most people comparing XP10 to the real world and saying "but it doesn't look like this photo" and the "The scenery in the Grand Canyon isn't as crisp and accurate as the photo's my Uncle Bob brought back from his road trip."When the obvious is staring us right in the face, the nay-sayers will always have something negative to say. Even if it means reaching for something totally irrational...all to put down something they don't believe in...and probably never will.

XP10 needs to show all these pieces finally put together and working well before it's certain that's it's surpassed or killed off anything.

Yes, you have said get both X Plane and Flight. However, it was in the context of "I'm switching to X Plane and foregoing Flight" with your response being "Why not get both?" Some people may not want both. Maybe they can't afford both. Maybe they look at it as a horse and a donkey and they want only the horse. I've been Pro MSFS since 1997. I have every version and just about every add on you can imagine. Switched to X Plane just over 2 years ago and have absolutely no intention of getting Flight. Just my preference. Everything I want or need will be in X Plane 10. Even if AI and ATC weren't in 10, it wouldn't bother me. I haven't flown with AI and ATC since the early days of FS9. I prefer Vatsim. Much more realistic with real people. I have yet to see any positive comments come from you regarding these new screenshots. You are simply picking at what YOU think shouldn't be in the sim or what constitutes immersion or the lack of it.Screenshots have been posted of KSEA, railroad crossings, complex autogen which I have NEVER seen ANY MSFS title replicate. Not even the upcoming Flight. All you seem to post are the smallest criticisms and expanding them to elements that you believe have nothing to do with flight sim. ie. the shadows. Yet it seems the lack of statements about everything else means you either think it looks fantastic but don't want to say it, or you just haven't bothered to look at it. I'm inclined to believe the former. I can almost guarantee that if Flight showed these kinds of screenshots, you, and all the other Flight sim enthusiasts would flood avsim with pages of "WOW", "Looks Awesome", "Can't wait", Want it NOW!!". But because it's Flights/FSX's chief competition, you want to criticise the smallest things and totally ignore what is being shown. I definitely respect your patriotism and loyalty to the Microsoft franchise, but it's ok to compliment the competition without repercussions. If anything, you'll be all the more respected for it.

you are starting your hostilities again .. you wonder why this forum doesnt have much traffic . Again, I would like to have both sp10 and flight be successful... .

Here is my biggest problem with the XP10 stuff. Laminar isent showing us anything! We get XP10 aircraft in XP9, and XP10 scenery in XP9, so what is REALLY XP10? THIS IS TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM RELEASE? I have been an artist for over 10 years. I have a very well trained eye for BS, and there are some alarm bells ringing REALY LOUD here. As an artist, there are "tricks" we commonly use when we dont want people to see the truth. Let me fill you in on some of them. #1, Motion blur. If its blurry, you cant see detail, or the lack of detail. This does not apply to game for the most part, but blurring things does. #2, Shoot from far away. Like #1, it hides lack of detail. #3, Keep the scene dark. Again, hides lack of detail.Almost everything I have seen of XP10 suffers from #2 and 3, and that scares me. Have we seen a close up look at the aircraft? No. Almost all aircraft are shot from FAR FAR away. Also, a lot of the screenshots are very dark, again hiding details. When you release screenshots, put for best foot forward, as its how everyone will judge your product. If this is there best, 2 months away from release, then XP10 has problems.