Please calm down, not saying or intending one thing some of you suggested. And why so offensive?

Lol, it's ok, Flob-meister. Not defensive. I said it half jokingly. :(

Maybe Austin should charge $7 a month for XPX-4d, and RealScenery could offer a reduced price and forgo the side-by-side dual installation and P3d will have some competition.XPX with FREE updates, eighty-dollars.P3d $10 month, add-ons are a whole other issue.Paying twice for any sim is crazy in my book.

Edited January 4, 201214 yr by h2egc

I dont think he will do that, or he will get a lot of people paying $7 to try it and and never get another cent. The same would go for flight sims in general, not just xpx. Having said that, he might get 15 people pay $7 to try it for every full paying customer. Who knows.. Prepared is not worth $120 a year for me at this stage but it does have a roadmap and things look promising. It may use ESP as it's base but in this case that looks good. The things they propose to do go to show that the base platform is not a huge constraint but it gives them a huge platform to move forward with.

NOT!! LOLCheers jja

Paying twice is crazy! Are you telling me to get fsx for less than half the price? I think that is the scenario you described

Per month is not for everyone but I already do it for my motor racing. (and every other blimmin bill I pay) I have read that they are going to try and come up with a better pricing scheme but I think their hands are tied a little bit due to the commercial use of the sim. I .e. when it was purchased from MS I think the arrangement is that they would not sell it for entertainment use. Of course anyone can still buy it for full price or 9.99 per month. You only have to look at the millions playing differn't type of mmorpg's and paying more to see that the model can work. I would think on average the flight simmer could afford it more than the avg mmorpg'er I update my computer every year and that kind of cost just disappears but I know it is not for everyone, we will just have to wait and see how it turns out and if it is worth it. At least with prepared a number of addons for fsx work out of the box and a number of developers are already selling stuff for it - like orbx with cross license deals. BTW, here is a WIP screenshot over nevada of the dcs sim. Its an old shot and obviously the shadows on the roads need to be fixed. It has all the stuff xplane does as well, atmospheric scattering, proper clouds (cant see in this shot but in game its really good), good lighting etc.

X-Plane 9 is on the shelf at Fry's Electronics. They have 34 stores in the USA. Its just a matter of time before they start carrying X-Plane 10. I think it would be alot more lucrative for 3rd party ADD-ON developers to develop for XPX then Prepar3d. Prepar3d cannot be advertised to the casual gamer. Nor will you see it on store shelves.

Edited January 5, 201214 yr by strider1

Why do people keep saying that??

I dont believe that its true ..... unless the items myself and others have highlighted are addressed.

That's because, forgive me for saying so, you're too narrow minded, to see what is happening in the entire x plane community. And I personally find it insulting with the attitude you are presenting.The big payware isn't out yet. And I know you either have seen the work in progress threads and are not acknowledging it, or just haven't bothered to look. I know you are registered at x pilot, and there are a few wip threads over there of the big, systems heavy aircraft. I've just spent about 8 months making just a DC-3. That's 8 months full time. And it's not even finished yet. More hours than anyone would work in most jobs.The Saab 340 is over 2 years in development so far.I have 3 more big projects in the pipeline. Two of which are the 747-200 and -400. The IXEG 737 that is being worked on.The A320 being worked on by Javier and Phillip.The XPJets 777 series.We're not "fly-by-nighters" who are happy with "half done is good enough". We take it with a great deal of responsibility and seriousness. And we don't just do it for the dollars. We do it because we want to do it PROPERLY. Innocent comments by people like the OP are fine and we don't mind correcting it. But when it gets re-inforced by people such as yourself, that's what starts rubbing us the wrong way.

X-Plane 9 is on the shelf at Fry's Electronics. They have 34 stores in the USA. Its just a matter of time before they start carrying X-Plane 10. I think it would be alot more lucrative for 3rd party ADD-ON developers to develop for XPX then Prepar3d. Prepar3d cannot be advertised to the casual gamer. Nor will you see it on store shelves.

True, you will not see prepar3d on store shelves but for existing fsx users it could be a very good migration path for them. Compatible with their addons, existing fsx bugs fixed and a raft of enhancements. They have already said that they are coming up with a better pricing scheme. Once again, it wont be for the guy that walks in to frys and decides to give a flight sim a go but for the people who frequent avsim and the fsx forums it could be a logical way forward.

Maybe Austin should charge $7 a month for XPX-4d, and RealScenery could offer a reduced price and forgo the side-by-side dual installation and P3d will have some competition.XPX with FREE updates, eighty-dollars.P3d $10 month, add-ons are a whole other issue.Paying twice for any sim is crazy in my book.

I see you revised your post and removed some of what you said, I had not quoted you initially so my earlier post may not make entire sense. What I was trying to say is that you amortised $10 per month over the life cycle of xp10 and then said you were paying for a sim twice if that money went to prepar3d. Thats not the case as that is the cost of the sim. If xplane is 79 bucks it would be crazy to pay 160 for it I agree but paying 200 for a sim priced at 200 is not paying twice the price, its paying the asking price. As I say, if I go by your logic it would be crazy to by xplane at over twice the price of fsx.

Edited January 5, 201214 yr by JasonHarris

That's because, forgive me for saying so, you're too narrow minded, to see what is happening in the entire x plane community. And I personally find it insulting with the attitude you are presenting.The big payware isn't out yet. And I know you either have seen the work in progress threads and are not acknowledging it, or just haven't bothered to look. I know you are registered at x pilot, and there are a few wip threads over there of the big, systems heavy aircraft. I've just spent about 8 months making just a DC-3. That's 8 months full time. And it's not even finished yet. More hours than anyone would work in most jobs.The Saab 340 is over 2 years in development so far.I have 3 more big projects in the pipeline. Two of which are the 747-200 and -400. The IXEG 737 that is being worked on.The A320 being worked on by Javier and Phillip.The XPJets 777 series.We're not "fly-by-nighters" who are happy with "half done is good enough". We take it with a great deal of responsibility and seriousness. And we don't just do it for the dollars. We do it because we want to do it PROPERLY. Innocent comments by people like the OP are fine and we don't mind correcting it. But when it gets re-inforced by people such as yourself, that's what starts rubbing us the wrong way.

what an over reaction .... i should have added the the XP community also hurts itself. Please reread my message and the reassess whether your response was over the top.

Ok, I re-read it. No, my response was not over the top. As a matter of fact, I held back quite a bit.The posts are there. They show you the items you want "addressed". Ad nauseam.Why come back and say "Unless the items myself and others have highlighted are addressed."?You're trying to negate the posts you are asking for. And they're all over the dedicated X Plane forums. Especially X Pilot, the same one you are registered at.You think a developer or a team of developers can make a study level 737, 747, 767 in a few weeks.This stuff has been worked on for far longer than many people think.How about asking for a link or some further info. Many of us will be more than happy to provide them...as we have in the past.

i only have two posts on xpilot .. what are you talking about. Additionally, what I say is true. For XP to take the top spot, those issues will have to be addressed. I should not be attacked for that perspective.I am one that needs XP to succeed .. with the FSX franchise going away. I even brought some XP payware to give the sim a fair try. And still you attack the messenger instead of addressing the content.

Edited January 5, 201214 yr by Tierborn

No, you misunderstood the whole thing if that is your view.I never said X Plane NEEDS to take the top spot.I said I found it insulting that SOME people, who know better, say they wish top FSX developers should move to X Plane. I also said that top level developers are ALREADY in X Plane. You replied with "I don't believe that's true". I said there were many threads at x pilot, of which you are registered at (never mind how many posts you made. You can browse the forums. They aren't as big as avsim) and there are work in progress threads there of add ons that look far more detailed than many FSX add ons. You have people like MortenM who is a qualified engineer making top of the line flight models.Tom Kyler who is also an engineer.Javier Rollon who has been a game developer for over 10 years and has teamed up with one of the authors of vasFMC to create the CRJ-200 and the A320 they are now working on. I have gone out, and on my own dime, bought up flight manuals, university level aviation books on aircraft engines, airfoils, aerodynamics and consulted with airline pilots to get better at what I do. I've said things about aerodynamics to my Saab tester that even he didn't know. Wanted him to verify it, but I had to check the Saab documentation for it.Yes, what you say is true. For X Plane to take the top spot, things need to be addressed. We've all admitted that. What I was talking about (seeing as you asked) was not just my question of why people keep asking for FSX developers to come over, but many other x plane developers question of the exact same thing.If they want to come over, no problem. I welcome the challenge. But there are x plane developers that can hold their own against many, if not all FSX developers. Coding systems is just mathematics and code. To get someone to do that is EASY. All you need is money. I could go to an online hiring service and get a top level programmer to code me the most accurately simulated aircraft I want. But I've only just started and beginning from an A380 or some other technologically enhanced behemoth doesn't make sense. I still consider myself a young one in the development world. But considering I studied my &@($* off to make X Plane add ons, I'm sure you could see why it would be insulting to me, and many other XP devs, when a person who has seen other forums with work in progress posts and screenshots says "I don't believe thats true...some things need to be addressed".If it was a misunderstanding on your part, then it obviously plays no relevance. I was never talking about x planes status. I was talking about x plane developers status based on their knowledge and abilities.

I have also said that xplane needs the Fsx developers. I am not saying this because I think that the quality is lacking with existing xplane developers, I am saying it because there are not enough developers. There is just not enough content. If they don't come over when will I get good content for new Zealand from existing developers? Soon, in a few years, never? I don't think tierborn and certainly not myself have meant to say that Fsx developers imply better quality but they could bring with them a whole world of content that is just not available for all of xplane.