The only way to change an attitude like this is to not participate. If enough people agree with that, then the company must change or perish. Of course at the present time people are voting with their wallet.I guess we will muddle through somehow.

Edited February 3, 201214 yr by wb5okj

GoranM, in FSX you can first download REAL WEATHER, then you select User Defined Weather and CUSTOMIZE and now you can change the downloaded weather anyway you want.

That would only work if you downloaded static RW , if you use the interval option, it will overwrite it the next time it loads. What you can do within FSX for turbulence is disable it within the weather settings, Goren is right though, you can't control the level or turbulence with real weather within FSX itself without the help of 3rd party apps/modules. Does anyone know if REX/X-Plane works on XP10 yet?

I agree 100% with Muskoka.Just like Austin is the only one who loves the UI in XPlane."his company and as head cook , dishwasher, and waiter, he can pretty much do what he wants"so can the users: head beta testers, purchasers, forum posters.we can post & complain & recommend not to buy pretty much as we want.public pressure may eventually force even the most stubborn to rethink his strategy.I prefer companies where the customer, not the boss comes first.the few flaws could & should have been solved long ago. I feel sorry for Supnik and Serio who work hard and still get bombarded with negative feedback. after all the energy they have put into this otherwise great product. didn't they too deserve to fly in their very own Cirrus or Columbia one day?

Laminar Research is a strangely interesting company when it comes to customer service.After all, how many global consumer software companies can you name where you can contact the man in charge, and expect to get a reply? Considering the size of the team, I think the fact that they can spend time on both the product and replying to the customer is hugely advantageous to them.I've submitted several bug reports, and have received a personal reply from Austin himself on some of them. That said, the reply can sometimes be an abrupt "no", and that can really grate sometimes when it comes to a software fix request that seems sensible to you.But nonetheless he's contactable, and that fact alone will lend him to (eventually) listen to what the (growing) crowd wants.

Edited February 3, 201214 yr by anthony_d

Why does my Xplane experience always have to be used / adjusted / manipulated by what Austen wants, and not by what I / we want. This "concept" that "HE" will give us what we need, is really getting tiring, and quite honestly, I'm getting sick of it.

Glen,I've noticed many times in software development, the more the programmers are identifiable, name first, and personality, the more people demand with insistence such and such feature/interface choice they personally deem absolutely essential. I see that very often in open source development, where people have the impression they can participate in design choices even if they are not programmer or interface designer. X-plane is not open source, but it's programmers are easily identifiable.Also, you express something much stronger here : you feel literally manipulated by Austin Meyer ! I've read that from time to time (nearly the same wording), and I can see why Austin's personality induces this kind of reactions.On the other side, when big corporations impose much more drastic choices, people will be unhappy for a while and eventually get happy again with what they are provided. Or, rarely, buy something else, which seems to be the sacred moto we read every day in these forums ("vote with my wallet"). Except that software's industry doesn't work like that, just in case you didn't notice.On the big corporations fact, we have have a big enough example right now in flight simulation, no need to insist on it. Sad.The funny thing is, the problem that has been brought up in this thread, i.e. the exaggerated turbulences, is taken into account right now, which seems to indicate your fears are not founded for this particular case. We have yet to see if Austin will really solve that and make everybody happy, but at last, it's in the work, for no later than the next set of fixes. As for the clouds, it seems our voices have been heard as well, as their visual quality has improved again in the latest patch. Right, we didn't regain the lost sliders. But are we really interface specialists ? ;)Ok, so this problem is dealt with right now, but you still feel abused. I take it that it's a more general feeling you and other people have on X-plane's development.

by what Austin wants, and not by what I / we want

You make the assumption that what you want is what we want. Are you sure ? Most of the people active in this forum want more realism, so in this case it's nearly true if we put it very generally. But for many cases it's not. And there are all the people that don't voice their opinion because they don't feel frustrated.You also make the assumption that what you want is what will make us all satisfied. Both terms are not equivalent. Sorry.The "this is my toy" mood has been created by Austin himself. But, he showed several times that he also really cares about what he thinks will bring him more satisfied customers. Sure, he's not always right in some directions he chooses. But he's not alone in Laminar, he has some damn good programmers and advisers.I tell you, I like much much more a piece of software which is developed with some strong concepts, even if some of these concepts prove wrong in the end, than a bloated software where one tries to put every single user's request without a long term view.A software with personality, if you want.X-plane is nowhere nearly perfect. But it sure has some personality. ;)

Edited February 3, 201214 yr by Pascal_LSGC

"You make the assumption that what you want is what we want. Are you sure ?"exactly, since no 2 people will ever want exactly the same in a sim, "configurability" and "scalability" were invented, and that's what sliders etc. are for. why not let the customer decide and adjust what and how much he wants from the simulation/reality buffet instead of one-size-fits-all and I-know-best-what-the-customer-wants.Just like Henry Ford: "you can have it any color you like, as long as it is black"

Then XP9 can do it that way as well. I don't think XP10 can do it, but XP9 definitely can.But in saying that, what's the point in downloading real weather and then customizing it? Why not just customize it from the get-go?

People are looking for that functionality in XP10 so they can load in the real-world weather, then adjust the turbulence either down or off entirely, given the seemingly exaggerated effect it has on airplanes.While you very well could set up near-real world conditions using fully customized weather, it's much easier to have the system pull in clouds, winds, conditions, temperatures, and pressures, and then back off on the turbulence manually, rather than setting each of those items manually.Hopefully the adjustments coming into the next beta cycle make a positive difference, rendering such functionality less essential.-Greg

It seems to me that X-Plane 10 does a lot better job than ver 9 did in the turbulence department, not that its perfect, it still sometimes gets too much. I've been running real world weather for the last couple of days at KPWA, and the turbulence was handled very well. I had winds around 14 to 16 knots but no gusting. Of course if it is gusting too much X-Plane does get with it, no question. The point is, the sim seems to be headed in the right direction.IFR only, at KPWA today, ceiling about 500 ft. most of the day. We don't have to wear foggles today. :(

I agree 100% with Muskoka.Just like Austin is the only one who loves the UI in XPlane.

He's not. He said that kinda tongue in cheek. You'll find the majority of x plane users don't have a problem with the UI. Is it "likeable"? That's subjective. It's useful. It doesn't have the pretty pictures and animations that most FSX users want, but it gets the job done.

I prefer companies where the customer, not the boss comes first.the few flaws could & should have been solved long ago. I feel sorry for Supnik and Serio who work hard and still get bombarded with negative feedback. after all the energy they have put into this otherwise great product. didn't they too deserve to fly in their very own Cirrus or Columbia one day?

You're WAY out of line saying this! I suggest you re-think your posts and your attitude towards the Laminar staff. It's no ones business what Ben Supnik (He has a first name) or the rest of the Laminar staff are paid from Austin. Least of all yours.

Thou shalt not want a better simulator !

Better than what? What's the benchmark you are aiming for?It's getting improved constantly. Maybe exercise a little patience.

Laminar Research is a strangely interesting company when it comes to customer service.After all, how many global consumer software companies can you name where you can contact the man in charge, and expect to get a reply? Considering the size of the team, I think the fact that they can spend time on both the product and replying to the customer is hugely advantageous to them.I've submitted several bug reports, and have received a personal reply from Austin himself on some of them. That said, the reply can sometimes be an abrupt "no", and that can really grate sometimes when it comes to a software fix request that seems sensible to you.But nonetheless he's contactable, and that fact alone will lend him to (eventually) listen to what the (growing) crowd wants.

I had a problem with getting the x-plane 9 app to work with my HTC desire android phone. I sent an email to their customer support about it. I had a reply back within an hour from not one but two of the developers discussing my problem directly. Eventually Chris Serio (I assume he is the main guy behind the android port) had resolved it an hour later. Very refreshing. I've had similar experiences from third party addon developers for FSX and X-plane. Its why I like this hobby so much. Cheers Rhydian.

I agree 100% with Muskoka.Just like Austin is the only one who loves the UI in XPlane."his company and as head cook , dishwasher, and waiter, he can pretty much do what he wants"so can the users: head beta testers, purchasers, forum posters.we can post & complain & recommend not to buy pretty much as we want.public pressure may eventually force even the most stubborn to rethink his strategy.I prefer companies where the customer, not the boss comes first.the few flaws could & should have been solved long ago. I feel sorry for Supnik and Serio who work hard and still get bombarded with negative feedback. after all the energy they have put into this otherwise great product. didn't they too deserve to fly in their very own Cirrus or Columbia one day?

I love the X-plane UI. I don't get how people can hate it so much. Once you learn your way around the menus, its extremely efficient and fast to use. Sure it doesn't have pictures to guide you or anything of the like but that was not its intended purpose.

you like the UI, that makes 2. :Kiss:we are not talking about pictures here, that can wait til Xplane v20. just try to change the time of day or the date via those coarse sliders. awkward.

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by fly_like_an_eagle

you like the UI, that makes 2. we are not talking about pictures here, that can wait til Xplane v20. just try to change the time of day or the date via those coarse sliders. awkward.

How is that awkward? I find it easy to change the time, just slide the slider, don't get how thats awkward. Also you can adjust time of day in-sim using the K & L keys. Really nice feature.