I have to say at the outset I'm unlikely to be an AOA customer, but I've watched this saga unfold from before the release of the NGX with great interest. At that time AOA provided what were some of the best preview videos of the NGX, which must have whet the appetite of many potential purchasers. I'm sure it raised expectations for NGX and AOA customers alike.However, as this series is intended to be a training package for the NGX, I'm very surprised that the next lesson to be released is TCAS, a system which is not aircraft type specific. If someone already has another AOA package, won't they already have had this lesson? If I was AOA I'd be prioritising lessons which would form part of a conversion course to the NG, thus keeping the customers as happy as possible in the circumstances.

Where can i get the groundcrew , is it freeware?

He is most likely using Aersoft Maderia X or something. (I'm not sure of the name of it)

I watched a vid from AOA, well done, but all you need to know about the NG is right in the manuals and there is lots of free info out there.. Just my opinion though..

I have to say at the outset I'm unlikely to be an AOA customer, but I've watched this saga unfold from before the release of the NGX with great interest. At that time AOA provided what were some of the best preview videos of the NGX, which must have whet the appetite of many potential purchasers. I'm sure it raised expectations for NGX and AOA customers alike.However, as this series is intended to be a training package for the NGX, I'm very surprised that the next lesson to be released is TCAS, a system which is not aircraft type specific. If someone already has another AOA package, won't they already have had this lesson? If I was AOA I'd be prioritising lessons which would form part of a conversion course to the NG, thus keeping the customers as happy as possible in the circumstances.

In regards to TCAS AoA in past productions have talked about TCAS but hardly as they go in depth here within this 30 min video. I learned alot that the manual did not discuss but did hear things I already knew. I'm not in the aviation field so if your one already a pilot knowledgeable about transponders ins and outs then this is not for you.

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by VLJ510

Angle of Attack is sold at a discount and you receive the training as it is completed. They were very open about that right from the beginning, but it is taking longer than Chris had hoped for or anticipated. That said, I believe many people had wet dreams of NGX training being completely done in a few months. I have purchased every one of the training DVDs from AoA from the first LD767, and I know how long they take so I wasn't expecting anything else but what we are getting right now. MD11 training took way over a year to make and it is no where near as involved as the NGX training will be.

When the AoA for the 737NGX is completed, the price WILL go up. Have no doubts about that. The economy is getting much better and people will be more than happy to spend more money on this training when it is completed and that is why I got in on the ground floor. Not because I expected to see a lot materialize within the first year. I do like that I can go through it as it is being developed. I'm not in any way disappointed.

The YouTube videos are real nice, but there is no comparison between the tutorial videos that you see on YouTube and the Angle of Attack training. If you think they are the same, then you should also be perfectly satisfied flying the default FSX Boeing 737 instead of the NGX, because that is the level of difference and you probably wouldn't notice it.

I watched a vid from AOA, well done, but all you need to know about the NG is right in the manuals and there is lots of free info out there.. Just my opinion though..

AoA is taking a lot of its information from the maintenance manuals that are not available to most simmers and do not come with the NGX. So, no, there will be a lot of information that is relevant, and will not be found on the FCOMs or on YouTube.

I am going to subscribe to this thread and answer question directly from here on out. I ask that we keep things respectful as that can often be forgotten on the internet, especially on forums.We're here, we're not going anywhere, and we're working hard. Let's carry on the conversation and get some more videos out!

Hello Chris,I do think that it is a great idea to keep your thumb on the pulse at the Avsim/PMDGNGX forum.Like I said, I am in NO way disappointed with the progress of the NGX training because I didn't expect anything more than what is happening when I purchased it. I knew that you took a long time to make the LevelD767 training and much longer to make the MD11 training.Now you are taking on professional level 737NG training with the NGX and on top of that you have chosen to make a dynamic format that will take on similarities to AviationPro.You have released some great training videos up to now along with a wonderful and very important series on Flows.All I have to say to you is "Keep up the good work. I'm in for the long haul!" and perfectly happy with the progress. Once this AoA NGX project gets going down the runway at V1 speed, there will be no stopping and a lot of people wishing they had got in their first class seat at the gate.Bob

Chris - Good video. I really look forward to watching these. I consider myself in the group of people that will probably buy it when it's finished. The quality of work is top notch. Have you put any consideration into selling them individually?Even knowing that I would spend far more money on them individually than purchasing the whole package at once, I would still start buying them today and watching them.I think you have yourself a fairly large group of people who are reluctant to purchase anything until it is done. The worry though is depending on when these sections are available completely, a lot of people may have lost interest in the NG by then.Just a friendly suggestion/request - if you offered that I'd start buying them immediately.

Interesting take! Thanks for the input. The trouble of having everything up front, is that is a year development cycle with revenue and backing we simply don't have. It's a double edged sword.

Chris,I sent you a PM a couple of days ago like you asked me to and as mentioned in my post above but I never heard back from you?

I'll get back to you. Just been thinking about how to handle this, but I'm pretty sure I know now. Will get with you in a few here.

I have to say at the outset I'm unlikely to be an AOA customer, but I've watched this saga unfold from before the release of the NGX with great interest. At that time AOA provided what were some of the best preview videos of the NGX, which must have whet the appetite of many potential purchasers. I'm sure it raised expectations for NGX and AOA customers alike.However, as this series is intended to be a training package for the NGX, I'm very surprised that the next lesson to be released is TCAS, a system which is not aircraft type specific. If someone already has another AOA package, won't they already have had this lesson? If I was AOA I'd be prioritising lessons which would form part of a conversion course to the NG, thus keeping the customers as happy as possible in the circumstances.

You're misinformed. Most of our other training isn't as in depth as is the NGX training. That said, this also isn't a 'non-specific' section. It's completely specific to the NGX. Sure, we talk about TCAS in general as well to give people an idea what it is. But we go into the specifics of what the NGX has and the operation of that system, and the indications, on this aircraft. You saw only half of the video, not the full thing.

I watched a vid from AOA, well done, but all you need to know about the NG is right in the manuals and there is lots of free info out there.. Just my opinion though..

One of the reasons I created AOA was so people didn't have to read through thousands of pages of manuals. I hate doing that myself, and it doesn't show the training as it should be. Obviously the best way to do it is in person, but the next best thing is video, in my opinion. If you're the type of guy that can sit down and get a full, complete picture of how to operate the aircraft just by reading (which I can't see how you'd do that with procedures) than this training isn't for you. Just my opinion though. Plenty out there that can do that. AOA customers are those who would rather not, and would rather learn it in a more effective way.

In regards to TCAS AoA in past productions have talked about TCAS but hardly as they go in depth here within this 30 min video. I learned alot that the manual did not discuss but did hear things I already knew. I'm not in the aviation field so if your one already a pilot knowledgeable about transponders ins and outs then this is not for you.

Right, one huge advantage to our stuff right now is a tight integration to the AMM (Aircraft Maintenance Manual). I haven't seen any other training out there (airlines included) going into that much depth.

Angle of Attack is sold at a discount and you receive the training as it is completed. They were very open about that right from the beginning, but it is taking longer than Chris had hoped for or anticipated. That said, I believe many people had wet dreams of NGX training being completely done in a few months. I have purchased every one of the training DVDs from AoA from the first LD767, and I know how long they take so I wasn't expecting anything else but what we are getting right now. MD11 training took way over a year to make and it is no where near as involved as the NGX training will be.

When the AoA for the 737NGX is completed, the price WILL go up. Have no doubts about that. The economy is getting much better and people will be more than happy to spend more money on this training when it is completed and that is why I got in on the ground floor. Not because I expected to see a lot materialize within the first year. I do like that I can go through it as it is being developed. I'm not in any way disappointed.

The YouTube videos are real nice, but there is no comparison between the tutorial videos that you see on YouTube and the Angle of Attack training. If you think they are the same, then you should also be perfectly satisfied flying the default FSX Boeing 737 instead of the NGX, because that is the level of difference and you probably wouldn't notice it.

AoA is taking a lot of its information from the maintenance manuals that are not available to most simmers and do not come with the NGX. So, no, there will be a lot of information that is relevant, and will not be found on the FCOMs or on YouTube.

Love this! We're best friends now. I couldn't sum up how we feel about Youtube any better than that. You just don't get a complete course, or the quality, like you do with our training. LineWork will be much closer to the better Youtube tutorials out there as it is a live and unscripted. Other than that, what we do is very polished and completely professional. Speaking to your points about the MD-11: we went through some growing pains there too. We were in production for something like 2.5 years. However, only 6 months of that was actually spent making the content you see. We did SOME work with a team we had before (that failed) and then things like EZCA came out, and I met Nick. Nick and I built it from the ground up to completion in 6 months. It was at the time that I finally refused to do these products on my own (absolutely refused to do all the work alone) and put a team together to do it. 767 took a year. 747 took 19 months (I lost all my stuff 6 months in, had to redo everything). MD-11 took 6 months once we got serious about it. Aviator90 took 90 days. AviatorPro is ongoing. 737NGX, well, time will tell. But we're pumping out MINUTES of video faster than we ever have. There's already 3 hours of rock solid content in there. Anyway, thanks for the comments.

Hello Chris,I do think that it is a great idea to keep your thumb on the pulse at the Avsim/PMDGNGX forum.Like I said, I am in NO way disappointed with the progress of the NGX training because I didn't expect anything more than what is happening when I purchased it. I knew that you took a long time to make the LevelD767 training and much longer to make the MD11 training.Now you are taking on professional level 737NG training with the NGX and on top of that you have chosen to make a dynamic format that will take on similarities to AviationPro.You have released some great training videos up to now along with a wonderful and very important series on Flows.All I have to say to you is "Keep up the good work. I'm in for the long haul!" and perfectly happy with the progress. Once this AoA NGX project gets going down the runway at V1 speed, there will be no stopping and a lot of people wishing they had got in their first class seat at the gate.Bob

Thanks man, that means a lot. And totally unsolicited. I really appreciate it. Our guys have been working very hard, and I'm encouraged by our progress. I think things are looking great now. Thanks so much for the support.

I'll get back to you. Just been thinking about how to handle this, but I'm pretty sure I know now. Will get with you in a few here.

Thanks Chris but after the genuine attention you've shown lately by participating in threads like this one I decided to stick around with you guys for a little bit longer hoping things will turn to the better any time now so you can disregard from my refund request. Like I said already from start I only heard good things about your training products in the past and I'm looking forward to hopefully be one of your many happy and satisfied customers in the end once you've got all initial problems you suffered from producing the NGX training sorted.Good luck with the rest of the training package, looking forward to what's ahead!P.S One small thing before you move too fast forward...could you please see to it that the missing audio alerts in the GPWS video you already released are fixed? Would really appreciate that! D.SAll the best,

Love AOA it's slow but be patient it's worth it great quality learning package, where else does NGX training may I ask?

Thanks Chris but after the genuine attention you've shown lately by participating in threads like this one I decided to stick around with you guys for a little bit longer hoping things will turn to the better any time now so you can disregard from my refund request. Like I said already from start I only heard good things about your training products in the past and I'm looking forward to hopefully be one of your many happy and satisfied customers in the end once you've got all initial problems you suffered from producing the NGX training sorted.Good luck with the rest of the training package, looking forward to what's ahead!P.S One small thing before you move too fast forward...could you please see to it that the missing audio alerts in the GPWS video you already released are fixed? Would really appreciate that! D.SAll the best,

good that your sticking around richard, hopefully they be coming out quicker now since of the recent posts that being coming out

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by pete_auau

You're misinformed. Most of our other training isn't as in depth as is the NGX training. That said, this also isn't a 'non-specific' section. It's completely specific to the NGX. Sure, we talk about TCAS in general as well to give people an idea what it is. But we go into the specifics of what the NGX has and the operation of that system, and the indications, on this aircraft.You saw only half of the video, not the full thing.

Chris,You missed the point I was trying to make. If you've got impatient customers waiting for content they've paid for give them NG specific stuff first. If you want to include a detailed lesson on TCAS fundamentals that's your choice but in your place I would have pushed it well down the production order. TCAS is a standardised system, designed to a strict FAA specification. There's nothing different or unusual about the controls and indications in the NG.I'm not really surprised there are production problems if you are going to the extra depth you mention for the NGX. Looking at the youtube extracts they are brilliantly polished pieces of work, probably far better than anything a real pilot converting to the NG would get, but must take very many hours to produce. At this level of detail the whole series could take years to complete.

I have "stolen" this link from a posting on the AoA forum and I don't think the "poster" minds! Interesting indeed!!!!(link removed)SITE HOSTS COPYRIGHTED BOEING DOCUMENTS, DO NOT REPOST -Ryan

Thanks Chris but after the genuine attention you've shown lately by participating in threads like this one I decided to stick around with you guys for a little bit longer hoping things will turn to the better any time now so you can disregard from my refund request. Like I said already from start I only heard good things about your training products in the past and I'm looking forward to hopefully be one of your many happy and satisfied customers in the end once you've got all initial problems you suffered from producing the NGX training sorted.Good luck with the rest of the training package, looking forward to what's ahead!P.S One small thing before you move too fast forward...could you please see to it that the missing audio alerts in the GPWS video you already released are fixed? Would really appreciate that! D.SAll the best,

Thanks Max, this truly comes as a surprise.We will be getting around to fixing GPWS soon (including fixing the sloping text). Right now we're having the video editor focus on the sections we have coming up, and keeping the content that's in front of him coming out.We'll be letting him go back and fix things as he goes along and when he has time. He finished the 14th Flow the other day that there was some confusion about. He also needs to start editing the LineWork Flights, there are several of those now just waiting for his work. So he has his work cut out for him.But yeah, we'll get around to GPWS. It's up there on the priority list.

Chris,You missed the point I was trying to make. If you've got impatient customers waiting for content they've paid for give them NG specific stuff first. If you want to include a detailed lesson on TCAS fundamentals that's your choice but in your place I would have pushed it well down the production order. TCAS is a standardised system, designed to a strict FAA specification. There's nothing different or unusual about the controls and indications in the NG.I'm not really surprised there are production problems if you are going to the extra depth you mention for the NGX. Looking at the youtube extracts they are brilliantly polished pieces of work, probably far better than anything a real pilot converting to the NG would get, but must take very many hours to produce. At this level of detail the whole series could take years to complete.

Hey Kevin, thanks. We release things as they come to us in the sections we have laid out. We wanted to break things down into an understandable format. In the past, this hasn't been the case with Boeing manuals. They do their systems in alphabetical order. It doesn't make sense that way, and doesn't follow a progression.TCAS was the last lesson in the Safety section. Other sections in Safety include Aircraft Lighting, Ice and Rain Protection, Fire Protection, GPWS, and a few others that slip my mind at the moment.Next we'll be moving on with a few random sections (APU from the Engines section and Hydraulics from the Controls section) and then we'll be finishing off controls, and then going back to Engines to finish it off.It's best we just go in order and get things done they way we originally intended rather than panic.I still disagree that the TCAS section doesn't have everything to do with the NG. Yes, it's a standardized system, but the displays and controls on which it is represented isn't standardized. Are wings not standardized? Flaps? Landing Gear? Displays (for the most part)? Where does the decision on what is NGX start or end?The truth is, we're teaching the NGX. We're not teaching the TCAS in another aircraft. We're teaching it in the PMDG 737NGX.Again, the first half of the lesson IS heavily redundant and useful for all training, however, the last half is full of graphics and advisory explanations on the NGX only.

Great news Chris you confirm the GPWS video will be fixed!

I still disagree that the TCAS section doesn't have everything to do with the NG. Yes, it's a standardized system, but the displays and controls on which it is represented isn't standardized. Are wings not standardized? Flaps? Landing Gear? Displays (for the most part)? Where does the decision on what is NGX start or end?

Chris,The TCAS control head is a standard off the shelf part, no different in operation to any other TCAS controller. You could plug in a different one and it would still work. The displays and symbology have to be standard too. There's no room for confusion if a collision is imminent. GPWS is another safety system which is standardised across types for the same reason. The other things you mention are of course specific to the aircraft type. It's not my place to suggest what order you do things in and what you do in great depth, I was only making a comment as an interested bystander. I have a background in simulation and training and TCAS in particular so I couldn't keep my mouth shut. No offence meant. :smile:Best of luck with the product anyway,Kevin