I would do the safe thing and uninstal my PMDG, then reinstall the BASE 800/900 pack, activate, then introduce the 600/700RTM and activate. Not sure if it makes a difference, but going against the grain in the PC World usually doesn't end well.Weird though that CTRL E worked on your 600 and 800 but not the 700 - considering the 600 and 700 shouldn't really be any different as far as corruption of the install goes.

The NGX is one of the most complex in depth simulation ever released and should never be confused with an FSX Default plane. If you have any experience with the Level-D 767 or any other plane that had a Boeing FMC you will catch on quickly. If not and this is your first payware plane with a Boeing FMC then take your time and read all the manuals and learn how all the systems work. This is the only way and we all had to do it before when we were rookies (noobs).

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by UAL115

I would do the safe thing and uninstal my PMDG, then reinstall the BASE 800/900 pack, activate, then introduce the 600/700RTM and activate. Not sure if it makes a difference, but going against the grain in the PC World usually doesn't end well.Weird though that CTRL E worked on your 600 and 800 but not the 700 - considering the 600 and 700 shouldn't really be any different as far as corruption of the install goes.

That was the 600 and 700 that I had the engine failure problem with. I fixed that problem and I now the engines automatically start up without failure. I mention in a previous post what I did to solve the problem.

Everytime someone uses ctr+E with the NGX, God kills a kitten.

/begin rantI'm sorry, I have to chime in here. How do some of you guys get off speaking to a new member here the way you have??I am truly shocked (shouldn't be; this is the AVSIM forum, after all)So what if he wants to use Ctrl-E? It's his $70 he can use it any way he likes, and to come in here and ask a question in good faith, possibly because he hasn't had the time/can't understand/just wants to get into it quickly he hasn't read the 000's of pages of FCOMs. get back in your cages you rude people and let's hope you never have to ask anyone for help! Thwe FCOMs are useful, and totally comprehensive, but they are also very hard to read, and even harder to collate, as there are no peoper page numbers relating to the actul FCOM pages. This is not a criticism, it's a fact. Not everyone has that skill/time.NGX is an incredibly realisic sim; real NG drivers have to have completed 000's of hours of flying time, and endless commercial testing to get to fly any modern jet. THIS IS A GAME TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. So whart if he wants to use ctrl-e? Well done to the courteous people who can see this.Posts like this make me want to leave AVSIM altogether. Imagine if someoen you knew spoke to you like this? How condescending./end rant

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by quadraspleen

Jake,I would have been shoked too if it was only sarcastic. The OP requested help, and, thanks to the fantastic PMDG community here, people take time to help him and find a solution.Now, as far as people do not show an absolute lack of respect to other, I don't find anything bad here. My above comment and others may shock some as it's sarcastic, because I get shoked myself: to my own and very personal opinion, it does not make honour to such a product to use it as default a/c. People do what they want with what they pay for, but I do not go to a "put brand here" PC forum to moan that I can't toast bread with my brand new laptop.I feel sorry if it offended someone, just accept some may feel offended by the OP. But, hey, as you said, it's just a game/simulator/hobby, so 3. World War won't come here :)

@ Emmanuel - I wasn't referring to your post, and if you re-read mine I do say "some of the replies" They are obviously not helping or being courteous.. It's not my place to criticise individuals, so I haven't. I just find certain replies to genuinely asked questions can be very elitist in this "hobby" of oursI agree we have some of the most helpful and time-giving individuals you'll find on any boards; we also have some knumbskulls who think they run Boeing or something, and that anybody who doesn't "take the time to learn" shouldn't be given the time of day..And no, I totally disagree that anyone could be offended by him asking what he did. If they are, they need to get out a bit more.However, I should have given respect where it was due, but I didn't and still don't want to make it personal.No war here my friend

But I should jut add to the OP; I'm not an airline pilot, either, but I can now start NGX from C&D in about ten mins.Write a simple checklist for yourself.Use a routeplanner that can spit out .rte files that can be read by NGX and it will save a lot of time faffing with the MCU.It will come, don't worry. It also adds massively to the immersion doing the whole 9-yard startup and shutdown IMO. I actually think the NGX is a very simple plane to learn and a beatch to master!BUT, I too have used ctrl-e once or twice when I first got NGX, and I couldn't figure out why I couldn't start..When I found the issue (packs and engine bleeds on when using starters) I noted it down and haven't used it sincebest of luckjake

/begin rantI'm sorry, I have to chime in here. How do some of you guys get off speaking to a new member here the way you have??I am truly shocked (shouldn't be; this is the AVSIM forum, after all)So what if he wants to use Ctrl-E? It's his $70 he can use it any way he likes, and to come in here and ask a question in good faith, possibly because he hasn't had the time/can't understand/just wants to get into it quickly he hasn't read the 000's of pages of FCOMs. get back in your cages you rude people and let's hope you never have to ask anyone for help! Thwe FCOMs are useful, and totally comprehensive, but they are also very hard to read, and even harder to collate, as there are no peoper page numbers relating to the actul FCOM pages. This is not a criticism, it's a fact. Not everyone has that skill/time.NGX is an incredibly realisic sim; real NG drivers have to have completed 000's of hours of flying time, and endless commercial testing to get to fly any modern jet. THIS IS A GAME TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. So whart if he wants to use ctrl-e? Well done to the courteous people who can see this.Posts like this make me want to leave AVSIM altogether. Imagine if someoen you knew spoke to you like this? How condescending./end rant

Agreed. It's unfortunate that this place is so hostile. The hypocrisy on this one blows me away.... Give me an FSX user who's NEVER used cntrl+E and I'll give you a LIAR. Cheers SpeedPilot! Hope ya got it worked out!

It's unfortunate that this place is so hostile

Thanks for the reply, BuddyActually, and as Emmanuel correctly points out; the PMDG part of the forum isn't at all bad really. There are some very patient and clever people in here..The FSX and Flight forums are dreadful..I rarely post in them anymore for fear of being trolled, and I can give as good as I get..I see kids being trashed in the forums; 12-13 year-olds who are, to give them their due, only trying to be good at what some of us have been doing for years (both in a game, and in RL) we all have to start somewhere..I didn't even install and run NGX for a month as I was too scared of it! Imagine! For such a lovely, easy-to-get-into bird.

But I should jut add to the OP; I'm not an airline pilot, either, but I can now start NGX from C&D in about ten mins.Write a simple checklist for yourself.Use a routeplanner that can spit out .rte files that can be read by NGX and it will save a lot of time faffing with the MCU.It will come, don't worry. It also adds massively to the immersion doing the whole 9-yard startup and shutdown IMO. I actually think the NGX is a very simple plane to learn and a beatch to master!BUT, I too have used ctrl-e once or twice when I first got NGX, and I couldn't figure out why I couldn't start..When I found the issue (packs and engine bleeds on when using starters) I noted it down and haven't used it sincebest of luckjake

Nice post Jake. Some of these guys need to be reminded that we all start somewhere. It seems like only yesterday I requested help on a forum asking how to load an airport of my choice! Sure, some of us need to remember that we are all human and are equally entitled to tolerance and respect.

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by Rockliffe

It seems to me that the issue here is that the original poster is having issues, not because there are issues with his installation, but there are issues with his flow. To me, the "random" errors could most likely be attributed to "luck." Basically, since it seems that there are absolutely no solid procedures or checklists being used, sometimes he gets lucky and sets things up properly, sometimes he doesn't.Before doing anything rash, make sure it's not your fault as the user. Run the checklist, and make sure you're doing everything properly before you write it off as a problem with your installation, or the plane.My only other thought is that UAC is messing things up in the background.

Agreed. It's unfortunate that this place is so hostile. The hypocrisy on this one blows me away.... Give me an FSX user who's NEVER used cntrl+E and I'll give you a LIAR. Cheers SpeedPilot! Hope ya got it worked out!

Me. Call me a liar. Do it.I don't think that makes me better than anyone, rather I just bothered to read the manuals before trying my hand at the sim.Guys, I see your points about courtesy, but I also see their points as well. Any other hobby, if you show up to the big leagues, you're going to get a talking to. When I play pick up hockey, if you jump in the advanced session and can't skate properly, you're going to get yelled at (literally, because you can get hurt - no joke). If I showed up to an R/C field with a really shiny, new, high performance plane and didn't know how to properly start the thing, they'd also tell me to leave. For some reason, in the Flight Sim realm, there's this idea that we must all be friendly and inclusive to everyone, and I don't understand that. There are a good number of hobbies out there that actually require licensing (amateur radio would be one of them), so the idea that hobby is casual and merely a fun thing to do is not quite accurate.Now, that doesn't mean anyone here is given the right to be outright mean about it. It does not mean, however, that we need to be overly nice about it, either. Someone bought an in-depth simulation of an aircraft and for whatever reason didn't pay attention to that fact (or for whatever reason wanted to pay $70 for a nicer-looking model of what's in the sim already). It's reasonable to be baffled by such behavior.To borrow a line from above:Tell me you've never made fun of (or even rolled your eyes at) someone driving a Hummer H2/H3, or a Rover as a daily-driver status symbol, refusing to take it off road and satisfy its actual purpose.

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by scandinavian13

It seems to me that the issue here is that the original poster is having issues, not because there are issues with his installation, but there are issues with his flow. To me, the "random" errors could most likely be attributed to "luck." Basically, since it seems that there are absolutely no solid procedures or checklists being used, sometimes he gets lucky and sets things up properly, sometimes he doesn't.Before doing anything rash, make sure it's not your fault as the user. Run the checklist, and make sure you're doing everything properly before you write it off as a problem with your installation, or the plane.My only other thought is that UAC is messing things up in the background.Me. Call me a liar. Do it.When I play pick up hockey, if you jump in the advanced session and can't skate properly, you're going to get yelled at (literally, because you can get hurt - no joke). If I showed up to an R/C field with a really shiny, new, high performance plane and didn't know how to properly start the thing, they'd also tell me to leave. For some reason, in the Flight Sim realm, there's this idea that we must all be friendly and inclusive to everyone, and I don't understand that. There are a good number of hobbies out there that actually require licensing (amateur radio would be one of them), so the idea that hobby is casual and merely a fun thing to do is not quite accurate.Now, that doesn't mean anyone here is given the right to be outright mean about it. It does not mean, however, that we need to be overly nice about it, either. Someone bought an in-depth simulation of an aircraft and for whatever reason didn't pay attention to that fact (or for whatever reason wanted to pay $70 for a nicer-looking model of what's in the sim already). It's reasonable to be baffled by such behavior.

All of your analogies are not accurate. Using FSX has no consequences. Being an inadequate hockey player could lead to injury. Not knowing how to fly an RC plane could lead to property damage/personal injury. Rogue radio operators could broadcast false messages (i.e. "The redcoats are coming!"), thus endangering lives. There are no consequences in doing aileron rolls or immelmans to your hearts content in the NGX if one so chooses.You sir, are a liar. If it's not cntrl+e, its another shortcut that you've taken. You have not flown every single simulated hour by the book.There is nothing wrong with being inclusive and as a REAL pilot, I'm grateful for the those at my airport that took me in when I was a teenager and didn't know a thing. I learned more from their experience than any POH would every teach me. Flame me if you choose to. I could really care less. To the OP, if you need any help, there are plenty of actual good people here that I'm sure would love to help you via private message. Consider me one of them. In the meantime good luck dodging the "holier than thou" flight sim pilots :( :( :( B) B)

All of your analogies are not accurate. Using FSX has no consequences. Being an inadequate hockey player could lead to injury. Not knowing how to fly an RC plane could lead to property damage/personal injury. Rogue radio operators could broadcast false messages (i.e. "The redcoats are coming!"), thus endangering lives. There are no consequences in doing aileron rolls or immelmans to your hearts content in the NGX if one so chooses.

The analogies weren't meant to be fully transferable. They were there to illustrate simply that, as a hobby, this one has it easy in terms of requirements. The least you could do is self-initiate a little.

You sir, are a liar. If it's not cntrl+e, its another shortcut that you've taken. You have not flown every single simulated hour by the book.

Of course I haven't, but the book wasn't the bar. CTRL+E was the bar.

There is nothing wrong with being inclusive and as a REAL pilot, I'm grateful for the those at my airport that took me in when I was a teenager and didn't know a thing. I learned more from their experience than any POH would every teach me.Flame me if you choose to. I could really care less. To the OP, if you need any help, there are plenty of actual good people here that I'm sure would love to help you via private message. Consider me one of them. In the meantime good luck dodging the "holier than thou" flight sim pilots

I'm not flaming anyone here. I don't recall any flames in my post, either, and you'll note there are many posts from me with actual content other than "AYFS???? RTFM!!!!!!!"The difference between you at the airport and several posters around here is that you likely had a little self-initiative. Since you at least recognized the POH, A/FD, Sectionals and so on actually existed, and likely read them at least partially, it was easier to have a common ground to answer your questions (akin to the simmer knowing the FCOM and tutorials exist, and reading some of them). I'm guessing you also didn't walk into the FBO and tell everyone the plane wouldn't start, even though you turned the key.Like I said earlier, I'm not excusing their overreactions. I'm saying there's a middle ground, too. There's also the Thumper way of life: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." As with here: if you don't have anything useful to say, don't say anything at all (a reference to the manual, especially if it cites a page, it still useful, provided it's tactful).Yes, I just referenced Bambi. I'm okay with that.

Well said Jake. I could not believe some of the sarcastic idiotic responses to the OP's question. Yes, his question was simplistic, but it was well-written and didn't have that "why iz ths stupit softwar not workng and PMDG cant anser my question" nonsense. A simple, "try following the tutorial step by step and see if you experience that problem" would have sufficed.This kind of junk has no place in a serious forum. None of those replies were funny. One of the sarcastic replies proudly identified himself as a "mentor" at a VA. Remind me never to join that VA if that person typifies the staff there.Fortunately, as usual, the other 95% of the replies were very helpful. And...yes, I have used CTRL-E since I started using FS in the 1980s. Hell I even used it once or twice on the LevelD 767....but never on the PMDG NGX.Peace, all.