I think your list sums up the options nicely. Though there are numerous other quality add ons, these you mentioned are the most well rounded and of very high quality compared to the rest.There's a simple mod for this available in their member downloads. Looks and works beautifully.One that many people miss is the Simcheck A300, which is pretty darn good. Especially if the old 'Bus models interest you. Specifically if you like hauling late night and early morning freight.

The reason for coming up with this list was that I was searching for suitable planes to use in Air Hauler. I didn't find any but these four passenger airliners caught my interest and my intention was to use them without air hauler. Since that Simcheck A300 is non glass cockpit and have a cargo version it might be of interest.

No matter what She is still the best of the best IMO. I own both versions and I just love the 747. In fact you got me wanting to break her out now.

What does it offer to do better than the planes in my list?

What does it offer to do better than the planes in my list?

Nothing really. Just a 747 experience (the only quality one).If you're a fan of analog cockpits and want something easy on the frames, I suggest checking out the Ready for Pushback 747. It offers the 747-200 and -200F models with great systems modeling, though the VC and 2D is aged. I'm an eye candy lover, but systems are first and foremost. I'm not sure how it fairs in the FSX environment, so I'll try it out tonight.

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by ZachLW

What does it offer to do better than the planes in my list?

Pilolting a 4-engine plane is more fun than piloting a 2-engine plane.Also check-out the B-377 from A2A, it's a load of fun to fly. See videos

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.Cheers,- jahman.

Pilolting a 4-engine plane is more fun than piloting a 2-engine plane.

Lol. Wut? I love the 337, but it's not because it has more engines!

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by ZachLW

Lol. Wut? I love the 337, but it's not because it has more engines!

To me "engines" is a clear-cut case of "more is better". Just like speed and range, really. :Big Grin:Cheers,- jahman.

If you're a fan of analog cockpits and want something easy on the frames, I suggest checking out the Ready for Pushback 747. It offers the 747-200 and -200F models with great systems modeling, though the VC and 2D is aged. I'm an eye candy lover, but systems are first and foremost. I'm not sure how it fairs in the FSX environment, so I'll try it out tonight.

The RFP B742 is definitely not FSX compatible.

The RFP B742 is definitely not FSX compatible.

That's very interesting. A quick Google search brought this back to me:http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=Ready+For+Pushbackhttp://simviation.com/1/browse-Civil+Jets-55-56?mark=35390#35390

That's very interesting. A quick Google search brought this back to me:http://simviation.co...dy+For+Pushbackhttp://simviation.co...ark=35390#35390

If you look a bit past the quick Google search, you'll see that those are the RFP FS9 models with textures converted to FSX, and a panel Frankensteined together from a host of default and other freeware gauges. I see gauges from the Concorde, the default B738, the default Mooney, the default Extra 300, Garret Smith's Honeywell FMS, Rob Barendregt's GPWS (no idea if they gave their permission, as there's no mention in the readme) etc.

If you look a bit past the quick Google search, you'll see that those are the RFP FS9 models with textures converted to FSX, and a panel Frankensteined together from a host of default and other freeware gauges. I see gauges from the Concorde, the default B738, the default Mooney, the default Extra 300, Garret Smith's Honeywell FMS, Rob Barendregt's GPWS (no idea if they gave their permission, as there's no mention in the readme) etc.

Thanks for the info. I'll skip that download.

It seems to me that what you are looking for is a very well simulated, preferably non-glass cockpit airliner, is that correct? if that's so, then I have two recommendations for you:1) Leonardo Maddog, although it could be heavy on your machine.2) Simcheck A300.3) Captain Sim 707, which looks really good and according to reviews is rather good.4) Captain Sim 727, which I myself am not a great fan of to be honest.You might ask why I'm recommending the CS aircraft, even if I don't like them myself so much. The reaosn I don't really like them, is because they offer no way to do a real cold and dark startup. Sure, there is a cold and dark situation file that you cna load, but it's not like you get a real cold and dark setup. As such, I don't find it's really suited for me. But, others love them, and you might too...The Leonardo Maddog isn't fully analog, but it's one of the b4est simulated planes out there. Visually it's a bit dated and it cna be rather hevay on the frames, but I still really enjoy flying that plane around.The Simcheck A300 is fully analog, and is very fun to fly. It's not the most beautiful addon available, but it's certainly fun to fly and it's a good simulation too.Seeing that you list a glass cockpit as a con, I cannot really recommend you the PMDG 737NGX. From your list, the A2A 377 would then be the best, but keep in mind that it's a very old plane. However, it seems more versatile than the Concorde, which of course has the same problem: it's not flown anymore (if that's an issue for you...)

As to the PMDG J41...I never purchased this because there apparently is a VC bug whereby users are seeing flashing in the VC or polygons out of the cockpit window, having to do with the icing effects. Many think it makes the plane unusable. If you read the pmgd turboprop forum, you can see what I mean. It's kind of hilarious how the ###### were ripping ​the users who brought forward a valid defect. Developers said they couldn't reproduce it...but now you have two years worth of posts about it from many users...pretty hard to deny it at this point. PMDG said they would release a service pack about a year and a half ago, but have not done so...Just something to think about...I know many users also have no issues with it, but this was enough to put me off from this purchase.Other than that, it has stellar reviews.If you like analog gauges, I can recommend the following jets:Captain Sim 707 and 727, CLS 747 (this models the 100/200 and INS nav systems). I bought these 3 based on my nostalgia for old TWA paints, but the CapSim planes (IMO) are great...I have all of them, I don't understand all the flack CapSim gets on these forums. Of course you need cpu power to run them effectively. The CLS cockpit is a tad outdated looking based on today's standards, but it is still a great flyer.Of course the PMDG 737NGX is brilliant...it may be glass cockpit, and may have a slight learning curve, but the many tutorials on youtube, as well as the included tutorial, can bring you up to speed in short order.

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by gtrbarbarian

As to the PMDG J41...I never purchased this because there apparently is a VC bug whereby users are seeing flashing in the VC or polygons out of the cockpit window, having to do with the icing effects. Many think it makes the plane unusable. If you read the pmgd turboprop forum, you can see what I mean. It's kind of hilarious how the ###### were ripping ​the users who brought forward a valid defect. Developers said they couldn't reproduce it...but now you have two years worth of posts about it from many users...pretty hard to deny it at this point. PMDG said they would release a service pack about a year and a half ago, but have not done so...

What's hilarious is how the users refuse to use the non-icing version (the one that doesn't show ice on the windscreen, big whoop) of the VC when afflicted with the problem. Even then, I've never experienced it.Bug that should be addressed? Absolutely. Debilitating bug? Not unless debilitating is not having ice on the windows.

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by ZachLW

The Concorde has the highest learning curve and will keep you busy. It's also the most challenging to shoot published procedures and land. The climb profile has many phases and from a pure fun factor, that's my most favorite. Don't have the 377, so can't comment. The MadDog IMHO is awesome, it has shared cockpit and a very robust failure simulation. It's also the only fsx airliner that has a sim station. It's the closest one to the software you might find in a actual training device. The NGX is awesome but it's automation really takes most of the fun outa it after about a month of use. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkJB

Zack, take what I said in the spirit in which it was intended, not to dissuade a purchase, but to give pertinent information. I am not going to get into a long debate over this, however, software has been my career for 20 years. If a feature is not complete, we don't list it as a feature. If we list a feature and it doesn't work, we release a patch, pure and simple. We don't ignore it along with the users that are having issues.I call a spade a spade. PMDG has released some great software, but who cares? That doesn't give them a pass. I did follow that with: "Just something to think about...I know many users also have no issues with it, but this was enough to put me off from this purchase. Other than that, it has stellar reviews.".

From your list, my vote is the NGX for Jets and the Stratoliner (gotta have the accusim addon) for Props . Both are very different and both the best of the best. You can't go wrong with either of these two but you will be missing a lot if you don't have both.Ray