I've never said anything about MS flight before... but I can only say that's it's a game for "Flyers" not "developers" and so I'm not interested in any " serious simulation" game, when I cannot add/design my own stuffs. I'm beta tester too but I've been very disappointed with what I've seen... so far. If you're going to make a better game it should be at least twice better but not -0.1% better than the previous.

So help me out gentlepersons, I'm a private pilot based in central Ohio, and I like flying imaginary flights from my home base to new airports. Then I often go out and fly them for real. So my questions would be:1. I fly a Cessna 172. Is that going to be available in the new game?2. I'm seeing nothing except Hawaii - will Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina be offered? If so, when?I may buy this just as a "game" - I really liked Crimson Skies. But if it's not going to have geography where I actually fly, and the plane I actually use, I sure am not going to dump loads of money into this.Scott

1. Maybe2. Not on your life or in other words, 'Nope'... :(

So help me out gentlepersons, I'm a private pilot based in central Ohio, and I like flying imaginary flights from my home base to new airports. Then I often go out and fly them for real. So my questions would be:1. I fly a Cessna 172. Is that going to be available in the new game?2. I'm seeing nothing except Hawaii - will Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina be offered? If so, when?I may buy this just as a "game" - I really liked Crimson Skies. But if it's not going to have geography where I actually fly, and the plane I actually use, I sure am not going to dump loads of money into this.Scott

wait till its release .

Edited February 7, 201214 yr by rtodepart

The DLC prices seem pretty reasonable to me, when compared with the price of add-ons for FS9/FSX.However, when I consider that we are starting off with a base package consisting of only one island and a couple of planes that seems to leave an awful lot of rest of world, never mind aircraft, still to buy. Could turn out to be a very expensive hobby.I guess the only sensible course will be to forget rest of world and be very selective in what I buy. Restrict my purchases to only sceneries and aircraft that particularly appeal to me. This could exclude whole countries, even continents.Given that, the idea of being able to build the game to meet my own requirements without all the clutter of unused aircraft and scenery that come with FS9/FSX seems quite appealing. It should also make for a more efficient piece of software.

Trevor i also love the idea of having just what i use the must and thats it .

I don't know anyone who exclusively likes flying GA around Hawaii but oh, well...

I forgot, when was the last time you asked if anybody likes flying GA around the islands?Nothing like a low and slow while watching the sun set out to the west. Find an airport to land at and come back and do it another day. FSX or FS9, works for both.Heck, there's even some property for sale on The Big Island that includes one of the small agri strips placed in FSx and FS9. Nice place to build a house and put up a t-hangar!

Nothing like a low and slow while watching the sun set out to the west

i agree on that , now with the new scenery its alot more realistic when it comes the time to find (VFR) the airfield even if you have a pretty good idea where it should be this new scenery gives me a run for my money ...

So was all previous FS versions, all classified as game.

Oh god.

Hmmm - we were given the FSX engine for free too. And two planes. AND some great looking scenery (Princess Juliana and the island of St Maarten) The rest of the world came for 60 dollars ish and the prices eventually dropped as the DVDs became shelfware. You probably won't see prices dropping in a year or so with MS holding the reins.I recently loaded up FSX Hawaii with FSGenesis mesh, Megascenery Oahu, FSG Waterfalls. Then I also have Active Sky, REX, Xgraphics, FSX Trees and numerous freeware enhancements from the dedicated Avsim Library users.From the publicly available screenshots I can already see that the MS landclass polys are small and repetitive and often sharp edged (MS need a Holger Sandmann!). About the only thing I don't really see in FSX at the moment on Hawaii are terrain textures that give rocks texture on sloping mesh - and then only ORBX / FTX seem to have that technique off pat. My take is that there is nothing much in Flight, that we don't already have in FSX. Yes - there are (vast?) performance improvements on the MS side over FSX. But FSX + TPD is still the yardstick. Yes, MSF improves shadows. Yes, MSF have improved their texturing skills a bit - but there's nothing new that freeware painters haven't been doing better for the past six years and more.And now MS come out of the closet and reveal their pricing policy. Just imagine one good hack and all the paid for MS points being "wiped"... The last thing I would personally trust is paying up front for a couple of thousand MS cowrie shells - while MS make a few gazillion dollars in interest alone. There will always be those few left over "points" that no one will ever use. Imagine those millions of unused points and then realise how micropayments is a license for the unscrupulous to print money. Oh yes, MS have worked closely with ICON and they have a Maule, a Vans, a Stearman etc. AND MS have gone to great lengths to improve flight models. But is there anything really new? Anything that good third party developers haven't given us yet? Anything that will even scratch the surface of A2A's Accusim?Oh - and to counter a valid argument I saw at the beginning of this thread - "Why am I still using Windows then?" I wish there was a viable alternative. All my work software comes from others like Macromedia, Corel, Adobe... I use MSOffice because my employers use it and there are cheap options ofr "home" versions that enable compatibility. Games? Mostly non-MS - Bethesda (great team) and others. For Flying, there is still only the MSFS series for me.And finally - I use Windows because I need an OS and Windows is the defacto standard. I pay for Windows and Office and I expect nothing but the best service. I don't get it unless I pay extra, but I still expect it. Yes I do read the EULAs and yes, I do realise we, the people, have been shafted. But at least with Windows and Office I get something at a price that I can pay "now". I dread to imagine what the world would be like if MS suddenly realise they could split Windows and Office into smaller modules and start selling them using their cowrie shell principle...

Edited February 7, 201214 yr by stormpup

The thing that 3rd party developers have not given us yet is a modern graphics engine. Flying GA in Hawaii is fun. Aerosoft's popular Dillingham and FS Dreamteam's Hawiain Airports show plenty of people enjoy aviating around the islands.And for those who keep stressing about 'only' flying around Hawaii. Your new mantra can be:'I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.''I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.''I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.'(repeat 100 times, while taking slow, deep breaths). :)I'm still planning on spending most of my simtime flying the NGX. But also looking forward to sometimes cruising around Maui in a Maule or the Vans.

I recently loaded up FSX Hawaii with FSGenesis mesh, Megascenery Oahu, FSG Waterfalls. Then I also have Active Sky, REX, Xgraphics, FSX Trees and numerous freeware enhancements from the dedicated Avsim Library users.

How much did all that cost ya? A little more then $20?

How much did all that cost ya? A little more then $20?

I was about to ask the same question.

'I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.''I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.''I do not have to uninstall FSX on March 1st.'

:( :( :( ...... wooosahhhh

How much did all that cost ya? A little more then $20?

That was not the point. Besides - judging by the MS pricing policy, we'll be asked to spend a lot more in the long run.The point is that we can already have a better looking Hawaii than the pre release screenshots show. And then I can apply much of what I have paid for to every other part of the world. There is nothing much in the publicly available info material on Flight that cannot be matched by FSX and free- or payware. BTW - the Megascenery pack was a special offer purchase with LA and Vegas and was really cheap. The Terrain mesh from FSGenesis was part of my lifetime Galaxy membership package. The Hawaiian waterfalls are free. FEX, REX, ASE, XGraphics etc. are all "whole world packages" and give infinite variation. Does Flight offer infinitely variable real world weather?I do believe MS may well have improved such bottlenecks as load times and FPS, but at what cost? There are more visible repeats in texture tiles in the few publicly available images provided by MS and NDA breakers. And I see nothing that indicates that MS could even hope to equal A2A's Accusim aircraft or FTX's sceneries.

So we got fsx we start to get aditional aircraft that were not included for the 50 bucks i paid and after that i kept on trowing money on top of those few default airports that to be honest look like crap and i went on patching what was already included because it was not realistic .and here was REX sure slide that card to get a better looking cloud /Weather and ground textures ... should i go on ?