JF has always been junk

:rolleyes:Nice generalization...albeit wrong. lolSome of their recent releases have actually been recieved pretty well. The DC-6 is actually pretty nice.

:rolleyes:Nice generalization...albeit wrong.Some of their recent releases have actually been recieved pretty well. The DC-6 is actually pretty nice.

The DC-6B is really nice in my opinion; in fact Just Flight kindly transferred my licence from the 737-200 to the DC-6B, within 1 hour of emailing them. Some people may not like their products but in my experience, JF customer care is always 1st class and quibble free. They even credited my account with the difference in price between the 2 products, something I didn't even ask or expect them to do.First impressions of the DC-6B are that it is 30,000% better than the 737-200 in every respect; awesome sound, nice slow heavy FDE, nice model, VC is not the best but it is better than the 737-200 and DC-3, and nowhere near as bad as some make out. It's a really nice aircraft and now I can simulate the "Everts Air Cargo" DC-6 flights around Alaska that I have on DVD :smile:Bear in mind that the DC-6B is made by Aeroplane Heaven who aren't the strongest with VC texturing but excel in most other areas including FDE and sound reproduction. Sadly, the BlackBox 737-200 in my honest appraisal does not excel in a single area. :sad:But all's well that ends well! :(

The DC-6B is really nice in my opinion; in fact Just Flight kindly transferred my licence from the 737-200 to the DC-6B, within 1 hour of emailing them. Some people may not like their products but in my experience, JF customer care is always 1st class and quibble free. They even credited my account with the difference in price between the 2 products, something I didn't even ask or expect them to do.First impressions of the DC-6B are that it is 30,000% better than the 737-200 in every respect; awesome sound, nice slow heavy FDE, nice model, VC is not the best but it is better than the 737-200 and DC-3, and nowhere near as bad as some make out. It's a really nice aircraft and now I can simulate the "Everts Air Cargo" DC-6 flights around Alaska that I have on DVD :smile:Bear in mind that the DC-6B is made by Aeroplane Heaven who aren't the strongest with VC texturing but excel in most other areas including FDE and sound reproduction. Sadly, the BlackBox 737-200 in my honest appraisal does not excel in a single area. :sad:But all's well that ends well! :(

You know, I think you are very very upset with the 737-200 product, especially the VC.I am using the 2D (as I mention in one of my first post) on two monitors.It looks good and so far all is working ok.I do go to VC with TrackIr and Ezdoc but only during easy flight time like cruise.So, to get some hours learning the 737-200 it good.I have not done much testing but so far so good.BTW, did you mention that some switches were wrong?

Stick,Thanks very much for posting your findings - you've saved me 31 quid!I was a long time customer of PSS - all the way back to FS2000. I was a pre-order customer of their 777 in 2005 and that release was something of a debacle. They said they learned their lesson and wouldn't make the same mistake with the 757. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and pre-ordered the 757 only to get yet another product which was nowhere near ready for release and took many months to fix (and a pretty poor customer experience to boot).I was most curious to see what this new incarnation of PSS would bring to the table with their latest release. Reading your laundry list of complaints it reminds me very much of the issues the FS9 777 and 757 had upon release and I am left with something of a feeling of deja vu. I honestly feel your pain. Perhaps the leopard hasn't been able to change its spots. I'm most happy I decided to wait for the Mil Viz 737.I'm happy to hear you had a good experience with JF customer service and hopefully you'll have more luck with the DC-6!Cheers.

You know, I think you are very very upset with the 737-200 product, especially the VC.I am using the 2D (as I mention in one of my first post) on two monitors.It looks good and so far all is working ok.I do go to VC with TrackIr and Ezdoc but only during easy flight time like cruise.So, to get some hours learning the 737-200 it good.I have not done much testing but so far so good.BTW, did you mention that some switches were wrong?

No no, I'm really not upset at all! :( ... I don't let the purchase of a poor addon in this hobby upset me: I have a lot more serious things to contend with in real life, so I don't let something like this upset me. I have just given my honest views on the product. (I did concede on one post, a few up from this, that my first post was harsh).I am glad if you are happy with it, and no disrespect but if you are 2D user I can see why you would be happier with this product. The 2D panels are superior to it's VC; ; that is a hallmark of PSS products; but sadly for 2012, I think that focus is wrong. :( I think the vast majority of simmers using a new aircraft in FSX, don't even consider 2D panels any more. (some would disagree with that, I know).Re: the switches, there are a few examples on the overhead but the most 'serious' is that the electrical generator bus switches (engine 1, APUs and engine 2) are 'toggle' switches in this addon, whereas is all 737 models, these are self-returning 'boot' switches. So in a real 737, for example, after starting the APU, the crew would just 'click' the APU Gen switches, to switch over to the APU Elec buss. This is the case is almost all 737 addons over the last decade, even older ones like the 737NG for FS9 and the 737 PIC for FS8! .............. But in this addon, these switches are toggle switches, so you need to flick them down, then back up, to use the electrical busses. That's just one example; anal maybe, but details like that should be correct on a sim at this level, and at this price point. :(

No no, I'm really not upset at all! :( ... I don't let the purchase of a poor addon in this hobby upset me: I have a lot more serious things to contend with in real life, so I don't let something like this upset me.I have just given my honest views on the product. (I did concede on one post, a few up from this, that my first post was harsh).I am glad if you are happy with it, and no disrespect but if you are 2D user I can see why you would be happier with this product. The 2D panels are superior to it's VC; ; that is a hallmark of PSS products; but sadly for 2012, I think that focus is wrong. :( I think the vast majority of simmers using a new aircraft in FSX, don't even consider 2D panels any more. (some would disagree with that, I know).Re: the switches, there are a few examples on the overhead but the most 'serious' is that the electrical generator bus switches (engine 1, APUs and engine 2) are 'toggle' switches in this addon, whereas is all 737 models, these are self-returning 'boot' switches. So in a real 737, for example, after starting the APU, the crew would just 'click' the APU Gen switches, to switch over to the APU Elec buss. This is the case is almost all 737 addons over the last decade, even older ones like the 737NG for FS9 and the 737 PIC for FS8! .............. But in this addon, these switches are toggle switches, so you need to flick them down, then back up, to use the electrical busses. That's just one example; anal maybe, but details like that should be correct on a sim at this level, and at this price point. :(

I just tested the apu.I clicked the APU start switch .. it went to down to start position, the APU started then it went back to its normal up position.The apu Gens each came on-line with one click (down).This 2D cockpit has the throttle quadrant .. I miss it in the PMDGNGX ... to get the 2D throttle back I purchased Ezdok, $35US!But like I said, I do go to the VC now and then with TrackIr ... so far it is all ok. But I am still testing and learning here.And the engine gens came on-line ok also .. one click down to each switch.I will be testing some more to see if anything funny is going on.I just tested TrackIr ... The VC looks good, everything I clicked on was OK, clearer than this screenshot ...

I just tested the apu.I clicked the APU start switch .. it went to down to start position, the APU started then it went back to its normal up position.The apu Gens each came on-line with one click (down).This 2D cockpit has the throttle quadrant .. I miss it in the PMDGNGX ... to get the 2D throttle back I purchased Ezdok, $35US!But like I said, I do go to the VC now and then with TrackIr ... so far it is all ok. But I am still testing and learning here.And the engine gens came on-line ok also .. one click down to each switch.I will be testing some more to see if anything funny is going on.I just tested TrackIr ... The VC looks good, everything I clicked on was OK, clearer than this screenshot ...

Yep, the bits in red above are the parts that are not realistic; those switches don't click down one, in real life, they go down and are then spring loaded back into position. Anyone who flies the 737NG, 737NGX, 737 PIC, etc, will know what I mean.That one point is getting blown out of proportion now, there are other aspects of the product that aren't so realistic for the price point IMO.But you're right; the addon is certainly not all bad to every simmer out there. Some people will enjoy it; in the same way that (apparantly) some people enjoy Abacus products! (I'm not comparing it to an Abacus product; it really isn't that bad!!!).

Stick,Thanks for the follow up.You are correct .. I never looked closely at the switches .. I was just clicking and watching if things turned on/off .."Anyone who flies the 737NG, 737NGX, 737 PIC, etc, will know what I mean." .Well, I am still learning (reading) the 737NGX manuals ... I will catch on one day!I have seen expensive sims with a lot worse problems than spring loaded switches and textures .... but anyway ....Do you think JF will get a service pack out?Did you mention your problems to them in a service e-mail?

For what it's worth, JF DID get an SP out for the DC6 pretty quickly, and there really wasn't too much wrong with the RC in the first place.

Stick,Thanks for the follow up.You are correct .. I never looked closely at the switches .. I was just clicking and watching if things turned on/off .."Anyone who flies the 737NG, 737NGX, 737 PIC, etc, will know what I mean." .Well, I am still learning (reading) the 737NGX manuals ... I will catch on one day!I have seen expensive sims with a lot worse problems than spring loaded switches and textures .... but anyway ....Do you think JF will get a service pack out?Did you mention your problems to them in a service e-mail?

The NGX sure takes some learning :( ... I was lucky in that a previous obsession with the old PMDG 737NG for FS9 meant that I knew 95% of the operation of the NGX when it was released ...... but the aircraft has still caught me out a few times, for being complacent!To be honest I didn't mention my issues with the product, when requesting my refund/product transfer with Just Flight. I decided to play it very objectively and simply stated that the product was definitely not for me. No quibble or moan from JF and I had my part-exchanged DC6 within the hour ... and what an aircraft that is! ..... Really, really good fun :(

I might be willing to live with the innacurate switch types if the performance and sounds are done well. And any exterior flaws might not trouble me too much since I don't spend too much time looking at the outside of the aircraft when I am flying it. I will ultimately buy the Milviz 737 and when the full release of CS 737 is available I will finish out the exterior which I bought months ago. Thank you for each of you sharing your issues with this plane.

I might be willing to live with the innacurate switch types if the performance and sounds are done well. And any exterior flaws might not trouble me too much since I don't spend too much time looking at the outside of the aircraft when I am flying it. I will ultimately buy the Milviz 737 and when the full release of CS 737 is available I will finish out the exterior which I bought months ago. Thank you for each of you sharing your issues with this plane.

I do think we could do with a few more perspectives on this plane. At the moment we only have 2 people's views of it on here (mine and vonmar's)..... it would be good to hear at least a couple more. But, you pays yer' money, you takes 'yer chance!

Well, bought it and regret it. If i just heard what you guys said. I like some JF planes but this one is below the standards. The jt8d sound package don´t even get close. The model is low in poligons (Thats why the good fps). The VC textures is low quality.Ahhh... and GSX don´t fully work with it. There is something messed up with the exits. And many systems are only available thru 2d panel (WX Radar, window heat, seatbelts, etc)Just a quick look. I´ll try again when my bad feelings about it disapears...

Sorry about your frustations Flavio and thanks for the feedback on the JF "Brega" :( .

The NGX sure takes some learning :( ... I was lucky in that a previous obsession with the old PMDG 737NG for FS9 meant that I knew 95% of the operation of the NGX when it was released ...... but the aircraft has still caught me out a few times, for being complacent!To be honest I didn't mention my issues with the product, when requesting my refund/product transfer with Just Flight. I decided to play it very objectively and simply stated that the product was definitely not for me. No quibble or moan from JF and I had my part-exchanged DC6 within the hour ... and what an aircraft that is! ..... Really, really good fun :(

Thanks for the info. I will ask about the spring loaded switches. Because I did not have exposure to the 737-200 prior, for all I knew the switches were modeled correctly and were later changed by Boeing. When first flying a new aircraft I do assume all is modeled correctly especially when the function (APU) works ok.Hope you enjoy the DC6 ... I only got as far as the MAAM DC3 ... and MAAM Avenger.**And like Flavio mentioned .."I like some JF planes but this one is below the standards. The jt8d sound package don´t even get close. The model is low in poligons (Thats why the good fps). The VC textures is low quality.Ahhh... and GSX don´t fully work with it. There is something messed up with the exits. And many systems are only available thru 2d panel (WX Radar, window heat, seatbelts, etc)"I know nothing about sound packages, poligons GSX for 737-200.. and I only fly 2D for the technical phases of flight..... Never flew 737-200 prior.All I wanted was a 737-200 where all systems worked (I mentioned in my first posts here) and I could "learn" how to fly it .. do some procedure turns and holds, and some bad Wx approaches using gauges.So far I am getting good results.I had a feeling maybe visuals/textures would be lower that 4096 because the download size (with paint kit and manual) was only 90 MEG ... about the same for a twin prop. But I was hopeful all systems would be working.I have been known to purchase the same aircraft from more than one builder and the same aircraft Upgraded by the same vendor .. Like I had the PMDGNG (Fs9) which I had mucho problems with several years ago ... ended up putting it in the hanger ... but I purchased the PMDGNGX years later which I do not have a problem flying but still learning .. and enjoying.So, now back to learning this PDCS (performance computer) in the 737-200 .......