Yup. Personally, I don't mind the heading bug dial the way it is, but it is always nice to see options.

 

Al

Does tech support sometimes drop the ball here and there? Yes, sometimes.

 

However... There are companies known for good support and others who are not. I can find a lot of complaints about CS but it is hard to find to many from PMDG or Hi Fi. So I think using the search engines and basing your opinion on what you see there is very valid and fairly objective. I followed the bad days of CS through others responses on various forums for a few years, noted that they seemed to get better so I took the plunge on the 767. I had a feeling I should not have and soon figured out why. If I have a choice on spending $70 bucks on a PMDG airplane where everything works, there are few bad bugs and I can wave the automated email response refusing to give me service or a CS aircraft that is subpar and not on track with how they addvertise it I will choose the PMDG.

 

I will ask a question. If PMDG made all the aircraft CS has made to PMDG quality would you guys even bother with CS? I bought the CS 767 because the LDS was outdated and I was lured into the 3d overhead panel. I was lured by their text into thinking I was getting the modelling of the LDS system wise and I could actually have a 3d overhead panel AND PMDG has not made one. Imagine a PMDG 707, or even a B52, how would that be. I know I get sick of flying the NGX and the 747 after putting hundreds of hours on them and have a hard time waiting on the DC6 and 777 so I to am inclined to buy "subpar" aircraft to fly something new sometimes. And I understand that CS is more of an eye candy affair. I have to say just do a search on all these companies and see how many negative vs. positive comments you get. I had to get my feat wet with them and am sorry I did and apparently so are many others so this is not really isolated then.

 

 

:Peace:

http://forum.avsim.n...u-create-at-cs/

 

I just do not understand how people can do business with these folks. They even locked me out of the support request system after the 3rd attempt, unbelievable. All you have to do is look through there unofficial forum. Or do a few googles about them. Not isolated at all.

 

And you can get a feel for their massive customer base with all that activity. No turns out they ###### all their customers, I still see my post from last year only halfway down page 2. No one is there to help those poor customers with their broken planes and CS will cancel their ticket right away. That's a lonely feeling after spending $60 bucks or what have you.

http://forum.avsim.n...u-create-at-cs/

 

I just do not understand how people can do business with these folks. They even locked me out of the support request system after the 3rd attempt, unbelievable. All you have to do is look through there unofficial forum. Or do a few googles about them. Not isolated at all.

 

And you can get a feel for their massive customer base with all that activity. No turns out they ###### all their customers, I still see my post from last year only halfway down page 2. No one is there to help those poor customers with their broken planes and CS will cancel their ticket right away. That's a lonely feeling after spending $60 bucks or what have you.

 

Seriously? Your only argument is a rude post from a rude customer calling the guys at Captain Sim "morons" and the like. Not only that, but the post is from 2008 (as in nearly 5 years ago). Get a grip, Marc. You're coming across as highly ignorant of what you're talking about. Spew the hate rhetoric else where.

 

You haven't even shared your "problem". Is there one? Baseless garbage. If your tickets are as inflammatory and baselss as your post, I can see why you've been ignored. Let's be constructive.

After reading that other thread, I remember when it started, and I agree with Zach 100%, get constructive or get lost, time to move on

So did you even bother to read it, or mine just above it? Obviously you did not. What is so nonconstructive about voicing my anger over having support tickets cancelled before even being read? If you like to do business with kooks like that be my guest. But don't call my problem baseless garbage. If you even cared to read my link I provided, I actually meant to provide my post as well but could not for some reason, I would not need to explain it twice. Have some respect for other peoples opinions around here or get lost yourself. I notice that there are only 2 attacking me here. Unless others want to agree with you here and are just keeping their mouths shut I will just affirm the fact that you are the minority. If you can read and use google you will see what I mean. There is only a point to constructive criticism if the other party listens and changes their ways other than that it becomes word of warning to others.

 

Cheers mate

Well, I read all that linked post. In it you call CS morons, more than once, which is not a great way to get good customer service. But regardless, whilst I have sympathy for anyone who gets poor customer service, it seems that your problem was resolved with a refund by Paypal, who you apparently regard as sleazy in spite of them having done that, but since you disliked the product anyway, it appears to me that the problem was therefore resolved to your satisfaction. So I'm finding it hard to understand what your complaint actually is.

 

Al

Al, your talking about the wrong guy, look at my name its Denver and my post was This is getting Ridiculous. I did not call anyone childish names nor did not get a refund nor did I ask for one either. I tried to link both but it only let me link that guys post. I was just trying to explain my issue w/o repeating it twice.

 

I did not mean to ruin this Thread. If CS has turned a new leaf than that is great. If you guys are happy with them than great. I tried to give them a chance when they were in their "leaf turning" phase and they blew it. Once bitten twice shy. If I can keep some other poor sob like myself from making the same mistake than that is what I am going to do and I am not afraid to voice it either. PC has no place when it comes to restaurant comments, why here? You can read my post over there just above it to figure out what my complaint(s) were. The main one being their support system and their rudeness. Hey, sounds like maybe I just got the guy after a heavy night at the club, I dunno.

 

You know, if when my students email me questions, and sometimes they do. If I just gave them some automated response like that I would be homeless and on the street and in a hurry. No matter how "dumb" the question. When you are in business for yourself you just need to be polite and try and help them out even when you don't want to or feel like it.

Oh, my mistake - apologies for that - wasn't really looking at who wrote what post in that thread, was just kind of flying through the narrative of it, since everyone on there seemed to be collectively narked off.

 

Al

No worries Al.

So how does the CS aircraft handle through a yoke and rudder pedals? Does it feel like a small passenger jet or an RC model? Does it hit the numbers performance-wise? This was a mighty powerful little airliner.

 

I've just been re-watching a DVD about Alaska Airlines retiring their 200 series. It seems the Pilot's love the aircraft because of it's solid hand flying abilities and stability.

 

Also - does the CS 737-200 model the "clicking" of the control yoke linkages? This sound is prominent throughout all 200 series vids I've seen!

 

I want a 200 series but after previous experiences with CaptainSim it's a case of "twice bitten thrice shy"! However it does appear that they are attempting to address customer concerns so maybe I'll bite again if someone can convince me it flies like the real thing (within the confines of FSX etc etc).

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Depends on how desperately you want a 200 right now to be honest. MILVIZ have one on the way, and so if you are happy to potter around in an NG or Classic, then it might be worth waiting. Personally, I like the 737 enough to have bought both the CS and the JF 737s, and I'll be buying the MILVIZ one too when that shows up, but you may not be a stupid as me :LMAO:

 

Audio-wise, the CS bird does in fact use TSS-originated sounds, so they are fairly good, with the trim wheel clattering away as it does on all 737s in real life, although the engine sounds could be a bit harsher in my opinion, since the JT8D is a bit of a screamer in real life.

 

The CS 737 is worth having, the JF one is less pretty although it is okay and is a dedicated ADV as opposed to the scatter shot which CS have done in modeling the 100, 200 and 200ADV, which results in it being somewhat overpowered. Neither the JF or the CS fly as convincingly as the Wilco EVO Classic though if you want my opinion, although that is of course a bit subjective, especially since they are in fact very different variants.

 

Of all the classic Boeings Captain Sim has made, including their very fine 707 and 727, this is CS's best release so far; there are some issues which need addressing, but there isn't anything that is a show-stopper and it is flyable and enjoyable right now, but just keep in mind that the MILVIZ one is currently on finals if you are inclined to only purchase one.

 

Al

Does it hit the numbers performance-wise? This was a mighty powerful little airliner.

'Over' is the word.

 

The overpower is the only big downside for me. The forum folks are on it and the dev is open to changes, but, currently, I wouldn't say that the FDE is what you may expect, Adam, in regard to the above statement. The classic plane touch is amazing and the hand flying is pure fun, but that power and drag model needs extra work. Only a humble opinion of mine though. I wished I could read and understand those air files better.

 

I fully agree to the quality of the sounds. The optics and framerates will surprise you too, in the very positive ways. Close to no impact here, which is great for an airliner with that kind of artwork and class. Same for some details, which exceed the systems of previous CS releases in my eyes. The PDCS still needs some refinement though.

 

So, for the folks looking closer at the FDE and e.g. the PDCS, 1.1 may be the better option while the plane itself already is a fine release, no doubt. The 737 fun surely is present in 1.0, the FDE detail may not be fully established.

I also think that the customer testing process on the way from 0.6 (or 5) up was a benefit, leading to a good 1.0.

Thanks guys - very informative replies.

 

I think I will wait for the Milviz version and make a decision which to buy once I've read a few user reports. I already have their Cessna 310 and that flies pretty accurately compared to the real world model so hopefully they will apply the same care in producing the flight dynamics file for their version of the 737-200. I also hope they model the cockpit sounds correctly (ie trim wheel "clatter" and the control yoke "clicks").

 

Regards,

 

Adam

I do not understand how to use the Heading - but I am very naive when it comes to real operations. Here is what I posted over at CS forum regarding their headings:

 

 

"Personally, I would just like to understand how the HDG works with this bird? From what I understand there will be a manual coming out to describe how to do this?

 

I am a nubie when it comes to systems, so you could say I am not a hard-core simmer. All I know is I can use either my GoFlight MCP panel and my Saitek MCP panel for Altitude, Vert Speed, and Indicated Air Speed. They all work great for either piece of hardware but I cannot use my HDG indicator. If I turn it to a certain heading and in-gage, it reverts back to 000?

 

So please excuse me sounding so naive but if it can be designed for all others settings to work, why not this? Or someone show me how to operate properly. I am hoping there are other simmers who feel the same way.

 

Oh, the only other thing I notice is when I use my yoke to manual adjust my heading (ie: turning, ha!), I get a big "jolt" in the aircraft - the wings move violently. Is this normal for this aircraft? I would think passengers would have become very alarmed for such sudden turbulent type movement every time the aircraft made heading adjustments.

 

Hope this feed back is helpful. ;)

 

Clutch

 

(if anyone can explain it to me here that would be great)