Completely untrue.

SUREEEEEEE............. :(

I said not 787 because QW is doing pretty good one of it

QW's motto is "Complexity...simplified". They aren't going for realism

I did think it was a 787 - it was hinted recently is there is similarities between the code of the NGX, the B777 in development and the Secret Project Number 2 - I believe this was a specific component of the NGX - but probably a Boeing of some form - I wish I could find the post link. My thoughts are the 787 or 747-8 - but if Ryan said it isnt the 787 then it isnt I guess.

Well, the 767-400s have a pretty similar cockpit layout compared to 777s. Are the systems similar as well or is it just the cockpit?

Just the cockpit.

The 777 is pretty much as Auto as you can get where Boeing is concerned. The 767 is a lot older and uses primarily non glass instruments. The 777 is in fact very high tech, has a range of things! The 767-300 might look like a shrunken out 777-200 but there are so many differences.

The 767 uses primarily non glass instruments? When did they change the cockpit? I think you must be thinking of the A310/A300.From Boeing's own presss releases, the 777 is a hybrid of the 767 system architechture and the 747 cockpit layout. Why PMDG would decide to build a 777 is beyond me. Since FS has top notch replicas of these planes, I'd say the 777 would be rather boring. We really won't see anything that's drastically new if they release a 777. I think an A300/A310 or A320/330/340 would be new and exciting for FS, and the first team to make a GOOD of one of these planes will see big rewards.Paul

The 767 uses primarily non glass instruments? When did they change the cockpit? I think you must be thinking of the A310/A300.From Boeing's own presss releases, the 777 is a hybrid of the 767 system architechture and the 747 cockpit layout. Why PMDG would decide to build a 777 is beyond me. Since FS has top notch replicas of these planes, I'd say the 777 would be rather boring. We really won't see anything that's drastically new if they release a 777. I think an A300/A310 or A320/330/340 would be new and exciting for FS, and the first team to make a GOOD of one of these planes will see big rewards.Paul

The 767 has 6 main small glass screens. Things like the Altimeter, speed etc is on Instruments and not glass like you see in the 747 or something which is why I said what I said.There is no good 777 for FSX and is high demanding. I don't see why not develop one? I'm not sure how you can think it's going to be boring, now that's beyond me hehe! But hay everyone has their own taste in Aircraft so I respect you have your own opinion which you're entitled to. The 777 is my favourite Aircraft in the skies to date and it's so annoying not having a Professional one to fly on the Sim. If PMDG were to ever develop an Airbus I think the A380 would be fantastic, the NLS A380 seems to have died for the second time. It looked great, not unless they're keeping it on the down low but that has a lot of ''New Features'' although I'd rather a 777.

There's a great 767 from Captain Sim (the last update which is really fantastic). Also, there's a good 757 from Captain Sim (not as good as the 767 but the latest update fixes all broken ILS stuff) and another simpler one but perfectly flyable and reliable from Quality Wings. We have the 777 from PMDG and CS being developed. There's tons of 737s out there from the -200 to the -900ER so served there as well.At long last, there's hope in the horizon for the Airbuses, with FSLabs on top of the issue (still hoping they make the A318 A319 A320 and A321, not just the A320) and Aerosoft is updating their AirbusX as well - Can only hope it comes out good in the systems department, because their external model and cockpit are s-u-p-e-r-b.Now, what are we *really* lacking?No developer has announced yet they'll make the heavy buses: A330 A340 and even maybe the A380. It would be nice to see one of these properly simulated. Wilco did try but never managed to make them as good as their Embraers or simply didn't want to. The McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 is a really great aircraft, looks awesome and is in need of a cockpit update. The same applies to the magnificent 747 from PMDG - Cockpit update.A DC-10. The ones that exist from CLS hurt. On other hand, their 747-200 have great exterior models, but once again, the systems are lacking bad, so a new 747-200 and -300 would be nice as well.Personally, i'd like to see a DeHavilland Comet or a Caravelle or even maybe a Convair, the attempt to compete with the B707. What about the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar?I'd love to see this come to life again... can only dream about it :(Convair 880 Flight Deck

...Since FS has top notch replicas of these planes, I'd say the 777 would be rather boring. We really won't see anything that's drastically new if they release a 777. ...Paul

So what you're saying, is PMDG has made a mistake developing an airplane that everybody wants, and has no decent, half decent, or even slightly resembling rendition in FS?The 747-400X was nice, but is outdated and far below the standard set by the MD-11, let alone the NGX.The 767 you are talking about must be the Level-D, since the systems in the CS version aren't exactly what you'd find in real life, not even close.Today, there is not a single big jet that can keep up with the NGX, and that is exactly the quality people are asking for. Also, don't expect a 767 or a 787 asthe second secret project. Developing those would take just as long as the 777, which is not what the Secret Projects were intended for.Also, don't expect an Airbus from PMDg anytime soon. They've got excellent relations within Boeing, and are not about to burn those bridges behind them for a fling with the competition.

The systems in the CS 767 are completely unrealistic. Even with the latest service pack, it is still very mediocre as well as a FPS hog. The LVLD 767 is outdated. And to be honest, the only Airbus I would even like to have would be the A300/A310 series. This was back when Airbuses still had control columns instead of the joysticks. Other than the 767 and A300, I would love to see the classic 47s such as the -100, -200, & -300.

LukePabari & KriVaI get that the 777 is a cool plane. I never intended to imply that i wasn't. However, in terms of a new experience the 777 has very little to offer. It will very quickly be mastered in the FS community since we already have so much experience on the 767 and 747.You won't see an A380 any time soon, as it is simply too new. I also fail to see how the 767 and 747 are outdated. Sure they lack some of the minor details of the latest programming techniques, but what the developers got right the first time was a highly accurate system and flight model. I'm really a lot more interested in the fidelity of the simulation than the eye candy stuff like wing views and cockpit shadows- those things don't teach you much about the plane, and they just hog system resources.Again, I approach FS as a learning tool. I try and learn as much as I can about the aircraft when I use my sim. I've found that it has been a big help in my real world flying career. i just fail to see what significantly new concepts a 777 would bring to the table.Paul LukePabari & KriVaI get that the 777 is a cool plane. I never intended to imply that i wasn't. However, in terms of a new experience the 777 has very little to offer. It will very quickly be mastered in the FS community since we already have so much experience on the 767 and 747.You won't see an A380 any time soon, as it is simply too new. I also fail to see how the 767 and 747 are outdated. Sure they lack some of the minor details of the latest programming techniques, but what the developers got right the first time was a highly accurate system and flight model. I'm really a lot more interested in the fidelity of the simulation than the eye candy stuff like wing views and cockpit shadows- those things don't teach you much about the plane, and they just hog system resources.Again, I approach FS as a learning tool. I try and learn as much as I can about the aircraft when I use my sim. I've found that it has been a big help in my real world flying career. i just fail to see what significantly new concepts a 777 would bring to the table.Paul

Well, it has electronic checklists. And many (most?) have electronic flightbags on board as well, but I dont think PMDG will model those. We'll see

I thought I had heard at one point that PMDG was going to do a redo of the 747 with the techniques and technology used to build the NGX and 777 products. I would not expect to see this until well after the 777 is out, though.One thing I would love to see is a proper 757, done the same way as the NGX. The flight dynamics of the CS 757 are off, and while I think the QW 757 is visually rather nice, it lacks the realism of a PMDG-level product. I know PMDG has said in the past they are deferring to Level-D on the 757, but we've been waiting on a 757 from Level-D for something like four years now, and I'm honestly wondering whether it is still a going concern at this point. Maybe we could get PMDG to help Level-D finish their 757? :-) Seriously, I would love for PMDG's Boeing connections to consult on an ultra-realistic 757 product...that would be really nice.

A PMDG quality 757/767 series with the original cockpit would indeed be a very nice addition to the fleet. Note that I say original cockpit - in response to a question from somewhere on the bottom on page two - the 767-400 had a different cockpit from 200/300(ERs) and 757 - it was fitted with what is essentially a 777 cockpit.The Level D 767 is still rather high there in regards to system and flight dynamics, but unfortunately it is hideously lacking in visuals (which is rather fair, considering its age). The 757 is fabled since I can remember, really. I already lost hope that it will ever be finished, which is a shame.Regarding classic jets, the one I would like to see the most would be 1011, but I understand it is not commercially viable.Re Robert (KORDATC): SimCheck presented a rather nice rendition of the original A300. You should check it out.