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P46T is a 'widow maker'

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Hi All,

 

I love to fly the P46T but for me, it is a 'widow maker'. I have died many times now while flying this aircraft due to the power of the engine, combined with not having an audible overspeed warning. What usually happens is that I become engrossed in working with my navigational devices in an EZCA zoomed view and fail to notice the I am slowly gaining speed. I will look up and see the airspeed indicator a moment to late and before I can slow down, BAM ... I am dead from aircraft stress due to overspeed. Many of my other aircraft have an audible overspeed warning system but unfortunately a couple of my favorites don't seem to have this feature (P46T and RealAir Turbine Duke).

 

Am I missing something with these two planes?

 

Is there some way to get a warning I can hear?

 

I really don't want to turn off aircraft stress causes damage because I enjoy having as much realism as possible.

 

Thanks for any help.

Tom

I'm sure you can add a little invisible gauge that will monitor your airspeed and give

you an overspeed warning..

 

I fly with aircraft stress off, since I'm not sure you get punished that badly if you fly a bit too fast

in real life.. but I would hate for you to keep biting the dust..

 

If no one else volunteers with a solution by month's end, send me a PM

and I'll see if I can produce something..

Bert

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Hi Bert,

 

Thanks for the offer to help! If no one else has a solution, I will probably take advantage of your offer. I did not know you could add something like this 'after the fact'. Just wondering, do aircraft in real life have audible overspeed warnings?

 

Thanks again,

Tom

I just found a much simpler solution..

 

Open up the Sound.cfg file in the Sound folder for your Malibu (using Notepad).

 

Add the following

 

[OVERSPEED_WARNING_SOUND]

filename=overspeed

maximum_volume=10000

 

Also add a wav file that you want to play, to the Sound folder, and call it

overspeed.wav

 

As a test, you can start with making a copy of apdisconnect.wav and

call it overspeed.wav

Bert

... also search your FSX folder for any existing "overspeed" wav files.

 

I found a good one to copy by doing that.

Bert

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Hi Bert,

 

I just tried out your suggestion. It works! Unfortunately, I still died from aircraft overstress because the plane 'crashed' within a second or two of the overspeed warning sounding. I did not have enough time to slow the plane down before it was destroyed.

 

Do you know of any way to tweak the timing of the sound? If not, what I may do is turn off the aircraft stress setting, like you do, and use the overspeed warning sound, I now have, to alert me to slow down quickily. That way I will not fly along overstressing my aircraft and not even realizing it.

 

Thanks much for your help :)

Tom

Couldn't you just reduce the power setting a bit? At high FL, you shouldn't be able to run into serious overspeed issues. However, perhaps disable this FSX feature since it works rather roughly, not?

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Hi CoolIP,

 

Do you mean to throttle back a bit? I normally do this but its hard to find the perfect balance where it neither slows down nor speeds up. This is when I ultimately get into trouble. The plane slooooowly speeds up and I am busy doing other things and do not notice the speed increase until its too late. Oh well, Bert's solution has helped alot.

 

Thanks for the interest,

Tom

Not much more I know how to do... but in an emergency, you can lower the gear

to slow down more quickly.. or raise the nose.

Bert

I've got time in a real Jetprop and they like to be flown high and fast.

 

For cruise at low altitudes you want to decrease power as you come up on your target altitude or the autopilot tends to overshoot and you build up airspeed FAST!!

 

But this plane likes to fly high, we routinely cruse at FL250 to FL270 and see 220 to 225 knots TAS.

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

http://www.pa46t.com/ The Flying Tips Helped me to keep the Speed /Power in check not many over speeds since Hope it Helps !!

I'd follow Bert's advice and switch off aircraft stress, if aircraft in real life were that sensitive to a minor over speed, I doubt any would be flying.

I will look up and see the airspeed indicator a moment to late and before I can slow down, BAM

 

"Been there and died that" a few too many times myself in the RA Duke until I realized I was forgetting to set the FSX Realism settings down where the RA folks say you should run them for the Duke. Don't quote me on this, but I believe I read somewhere in the RA docs that the forces that FSX generates on the airframe in overspeed conditions are massively too large and do not reflect real life with all the Realism sliders pushed all the way to the right (specifically "Crash Tolerance" is shown by RA to be set nearly completely "Left"). So at least for the Duke, this might help the touchy nature of the overspeed situation - not sure, and personally never seen any input from Carenado about if they think the Realism settings should be adjusted for their aircraft...

 

Chris B.

"Flapsdown"

sounds like my initial flights in the Caravan and Meridian.

As a matter of fact, I've just completed my first flight in the Meridian after installing the updates; yeah I'm way behind in updating.

I also inserted the modified cfg and air files offered sometime back, I'd developed a dislike for the plane; being too difficult to stay ahead of..

the mod I've just installed makes all the difference in the world, I actually really enjoyed the flight particularly the hand flown approach and landing.

to some degree I would compare the Meridian to the PMDG NGX in terms of necessary pilot technique - that's it, requiring proficiency in that aircraft; cant just jump in and fly like default 172

the model fix has retained the complexity and need to monitor while ironing out some of the excessive skittishness that it seemed to have.

The 737 on the other hand while more complex was in fact much easier for me to fly...

All the best; time makes all technique better.

Regards,

Ted Panamarioff     Kodiak Alaska

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I was forgetting to set the FSX Realism settings down where the RA folks say you should run them for the Duke.

 

See... reading the manual has information!! (I say to myself)

 

I tried playing with the "crash" slider... and BINGO... that added some much needed "tolerance". After killing myself and my plane about four times... my personal preference was "4" clicks from the left (0, or off spot). That'll let me go about 20 over for about 15 seconds... then it folds up like cheap beach chair, and falls to the ground. Should be more then enuff time with a overspeed warning sound included.

 

Thanks for the Tip Flapsdown.

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