I have flown this a few times but wonder whether you wouldn't use some mode of the autopilot for the last 180 degree turn on to the line for the runway. It just seems risky to lose the autpilot control of height and speed and of turning correctly onto the runway. After the turn then I would manually land.

 

Peter Rowan

The last turn is flown manually without autopilot as described in the tutorial :)

It's probably because RW pilots prefer to land manually. I also guess that they trust themselves better than to use the AP at such low altitude.

 

But I guess that you could easily use HDG selection and V/S to have a better control of the turn. You could also use V/S only and turn manually, using the green line on the ND as a visual guide of where your turn ends. Or use LNAV and VNAV with AP to off and follow the FD...

 

Quite many options, although I don't think they're used in RW...

Well the thing is that it is a visual approach and a visual turn. Imagine the workload when using the autopilot and the sinkrate is too high. then too low. Then the bank is to much. There could be corrections all the time to ensure a safe lineup with the runway. Instead of turning knobs and dial in new numbers all the time, they fly it manually and visually correct ther attitude. Afterall that is what pilots learn in flight school; Fly the aircraft!

 

I think it is a lot safer to do the last turn manually :)

 

Again, there is no use in following a flight director when it is a visual approach :)

As my friend likes to say, the Boeing (757 in his case) is really just a bigger Seneca. turn the magic off and use your mk.II eyeballs.

Another pilot friend says the 737 is just Piper Cub in disguise... if in doubt, handfly.

 

Both of them make a carreer flying the tubes into some of the most demanding strips of asphalt and concrete in Europe and worldwide. I take their word.

Is this tutorial from real flights 737?

I mean, the final turn to runway 08 is quit tricky, if anything happens with the weather, f.a. a sudden wind blow, well...anything can happen.

It happened to me, when i diid the flight with rex 2 weather engine enabled, heavy wind shearing {fohn?} i was almost blown against the mountain slope, giving all passengers a heartache.

What are the rules for airlines using 737's or an airbus, if the weather conditions are not consistant?

 

Ton v Dongen.

Quite real. I was lucky enough to be a passenger on an 800 this Feb and last March both times on the C2L Rwy 8 approach - you are surprisingly close to the hills on your left before the turn, and startlingly close to the ground as you turn 180 deg. Recommended :)

Why not do it in CWS with a low vertical speed and then disconnect ap when you are lined up ?

 

I usually move the stick to disconnect Lnav on other approaches to align up with the white dashed centre line of the RWY, I dont kknow if it's correct but it works for me on the ngx.

Real pilots know how to fly their airplanes without the autopilot guys... That approach is handflown all the time in the real world.

Real pilots know how to fly their airplanes without the autopilot guys... That approach is handflown all the time in the real world.

Understanding that, but it does not limit the ability to improve over existing current precedures, that is if they are or can be improved for safety reasons.

 

I think that it's just a question or option that there may be possibilities to fly that last visual leg (180deg turn) using other means not really saying that the hand fly turn is incorrect. I am comfortable with the turn, just thinking of a more controlled turn. During the turn I probably seem to lose to much alt, need more practice, but it is real fun to do the turn manually.

BTW what's the proper rate of descent during this turn? Is it similar to a 3 degree glideslope?

I have been practicing this approach for a while now using Ryans saved flight (Just before visual approach) and i find that by watching my attitude bars on my FD and holding about a 2 deg. down nose in the 180 turn and holding a speed of 140-145 knts, i end up looking at the runway after my turn with 1 or two red lights on Vasi/papi lights.

Fly the downwind procedure to the westside of the little town Axams (Check Google Earth) at 3700ft, Turn to base and follow the Kuhtal canyon under your right wing and clean up 800ft (from 3700 to 2900ft) when turning final at 2900ft you are in line with the PAPI lights for the final approach and Yes, in real world they go manual on downwind south of the tower. It's 100% a visual approach and in case of severe conditions the tower will constantly update.

 

As stated earlier, when getting bored with the tutorial, try the LOC/DME west approach for the RW08 C2L over Elmem1A-KTI-AB-INN-RW08

This approach is steeper then the LOC/DME East from RTT

 

Happy landings,

 

Captain "Simba" Frank